I drive a Vision SUV and I am always laughed at by my colleagues who drive Baojun. Is Baojun really a joint venture car?

Baojun cannot be called a joint venture car. SAIC-GM-Wuling is the Guangxi Liuzhou Wuling mini car factory. In order to obtain the sales qualification of passenger cars, it established a joint venture with the provincial-level state-owned automobile enterprises SAIC and General Motors of the United States. It is a marriage. The purpose is just to consume "Wuling" and "Baojun" brand cars in Liuzhou, Guangxi, not joint venture brand cars.

In fact, I think that no matter what car you drive, there will always be people who are very self-righteous and look down on you. This is normal. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a joint venture or not. What’s important is that you like your car enough, no matter what others say. In addition, the more he emphasizes that his car is a joint venture, the less confident he is. No one has really driven an imported car yet. I have been talking about it all day long, but I don’t know how great it is to buy a real joint venture car now. The starting price of Beijing Hyundai Rena is 49,900, which is basically affordable for anyone who wants to buy a car.

< p>Looking at your description, first of all, you bought the car earlier than it did. Secondly, whether it is more expensive for you or others, don’t worry about what others think of you. I don’t know since when, Baojun was called a joint venture car by some people. As for the products of General Motors Company of the United States, the most hotly debated thing is that every Baojun model launched must be compared with the popular domestic models. For example, the Haval H6 is the most compared Baojun model, from 560 to 510, and then to... The 530, which is not yet on the market, all used slogans to bring down the H6, but none of them succeeded. There are also many netizens comparing the 510 and the H6. To be honest, there is really no meaning in comparison, let alone saying that they are not the same level. , talking about positioning, the top-end H6 can be compared with 2.5 510s. What is comparable? The positioning is different and the consumer groups it faces are different.

For example, there is still some need to compare it with your Vision SUV. Comparing it with Geely's Boyue is really meaningless. Those who want to buy the 510 on a budget may have seen the Boyue at Geely 4S, or even considered it comprehensively, but are planning to buy the Baojun 4S just because their budget is not enough. I'm afraid they haven't even entered the door. It's not a high-end product at all, and the consumer group is not at the same level.

Not to mention Baojun's overall quality, quality control, driving texture, including safety. They are all on the same level as Geely, Changan, Great Wall, BYD, and Chery. Baojun focuses on low-priced products. It is a good thing that they are sold cheaply. However, some car owners do not want to prove that they are poor. It is not good if they have to push themselves higher.

For personal products, don’t care too much about other people’s opinions. As long as it can meet your own consumption needs, it is a good product, especially for large and long-term consumer products such as cars. , the current independent brands already have the technical strength to attack the B-class car market, such as Geely, Changan, etc. Although the technical strength has been achieved, the lack of brand influence still cannot bring a premium to the selling price of the vehicle itself. The higher the budget, the higher the budget. Correspondingly, consumers pay more attention to the brand, which is no longer a high-level choice of actual products.

The Vision SUV is actually an evolved version of the GX7 with the Geely logo. From the perspective of chassis architecture, it can be called a complete "joint venture", and it has inherited fine traditions in terms of front and rear suspension forms, wheelbase, wheelbase, and interior space optimization. The powertrain part is Geely's own technical support. The 1.4T+CVT has a peak output of 215N·m and 133 horsepower. Fuel economy is the focus of this engine's design.

The Baojun product similar to the Vision SUV is the 530. For latecomers, its size and wheelbase have become more advantageous, which to a certain extent has brought positive impetus to good space performance, because the entire series does not provide four-wheel drive. It is a driving model, so the design of the chassis is completely space-oriented. It is much simpler to optimize the fully flat platform. It can even add a third row of seats to achieve 7 seats. It is indeed better in terms of space utilization. The power system of the low-end model uses a 1.5T+CVT combination, and the torque platform and peak power are better than those of the Vision SUV 1.4T. The fuel consumption control of the Baojun 530 is average under the same weight.

If the tone is set by the brand joint venture, Baojun is not actually a joint venture, but from a technical point of view, it has benefited from GM technology and is also supported by SAIC, so it is considered a joint venture in this way. car definition. In terms of configuration alone, the Vision SUV is obviously more cost-effective. At least it has the same mechanical configuration, such as suspension type, electronic parking as standard equipment, etc.

So Baojun’s joke about luck is actually a joke at fifty steps and a hundred steps at a time. (Yafu)

Baojun is an independent existence like Venucia: joint venture independent brands, strictly speaking, they cannot be purely classified as joint ventures or independent brands. Regarding this type of joint venture independent brands, There have been a lot of debates about the brand. Some people think it is a scam, while others think it is better than independent brands.

Baojun is considered to be the best-performing brand among joint venture independent brands. In the early days, Baojun used old GM models as samples. For example, the Lucky and Excelle were transformed into Baojun Lucky and Baojun 610.

However, Baojun now has its own technology accumulation, relies on independent research and development, and obtains low-cost products through the effect of scale, thereby improving the competitiveness of products, so Baojun’s quality will not be bad enough. Go, although Baojun broke out a large-scale recall incident some time ago, it also showed the attitude of its person in charge.

The full name of Baojun OEM is "SAIC-GM Baojun Automobile Company".

It is really a brand of General Motors, but in fact

it should be regarded as one of its own brands. If you say that you are a joint venture brand, then you are putting gold on your face. But I don’t know how much gold foil it would take to cover it up.

First of all, let’s be clear. /p>

Cars are only divided into imported and domestic ones.

In short, whether they are made in China or abroad

If foreign capital is injected into the OEM, then Mercedes-Benz is a joint venture. Cars. Volvo is a domestically produced car. After all, Geely boss Li Shufu is the largest shareholder of Mercedes-Benz. What should I do if China can’t make cars? It’s too expensive to import. There is no other way. We can only buy production lines and build cars ourselves. In other words, there are only two types of joint ventures and imports. Made in China, that is, domestically produced cars.

So in the chain of contempt, all imported cars are despised. For example, a certain imported Toyota overbearing car owner (smuggling is actually cheaper than domestically produced cars). The joint venture cars were all rubbish. Later, relatively pure domestic cars appeared that did not require foreign investment. They just bought Japanese Mitsubishi engines and used them with ugly Chinese casings. To be honest, the quality is somewhat worse than that of joint venture cars. It is more or less outdated technology from foreigners, but it is 100% made by foreign engineers. /p>

Geely, Chery, BYD, etc. are starting to develop their own engines, gearboxes, etc. At this time, there is basically no difference between the domestic joint ventures and the quality control. The quality control is better.

At this time, the domestic cars of the first-tier brands are slightly better than the joint venture cars of the same level in terms of appearance and quality. It's very simple. The cost, workers, etc. are all the same. But the joint venture has to cut corners. It can be said that it is a small victory in all aspects. A first-tier brand. In all aspects, it can be better than any joint venture brand of the same level. However, the price cannot be lower than that of Baojun, and it is basically known as the worst-quality domestic car. Similar to Zotye Lufeng Lifan.

The only cost of a joint venture car is that it is more than 30% more expensive than a domestic car. It is good to buy a brand and have no merit in other aspects. The same goes for domestic brands. All are good. Only the first-tier brands are good. The quality of the other second-tier and third-tier brands is not as good. But the quality of the first-tier brands is not as good as that of the domestic first-tier brands.

Similar to today’s smartphones. If you buy a Samsung mobile phone, the quality is really better than that of Huawei. Is that a good thing? However, those who use Samsung will definitely despise those who use Gionee 360 ??mobile phones. Don't talk about cars. no the same. All the same. Building a car is much simpler than developing a mobile phone.

Also. As long as it is on Chinese soil. Products produced by Chinese workers. Especially close to or similar production lines. The quality is exactly the same. Just like the production lines of Venucia and Nissan. Each worker produces two cars almost simultaneously. Almost all accessories are universal.

You say it's different?

Also, the chain of contempt will always exist. Just let him despise it. The worst thing to do is learn from Ah Q. All we need to do is despise it. I despise all joint venture cars. I despise all luxury cars. I despise all idiots who spend a lot of money to buy crappy stuff. I despise that as long as there is a foreign brand on my car, all Chinese brands are rubbish. I despise experts who obviously don’t understand anything but pretend to be experts. I despise the pseudo-experts who think they know everything they can talk about, but are actually no better than idiots. I despise not buying the right thing but only buying expensive second-hand goods. I despise those who bought Brilliance BMW. The word "Brilliance" must be deducted. Why (Brilliance is a shame, the car owner also knows it) I despise buying a Changan Ford, and I must deduct the Changan. Same. Chang'an is also a shame.

Final summary. Logically speaking. No one should despise anyone. But practical. Contempt will always exist and no one can escape it. Black people have always been looked down upon, so what? The Chinese have always been looked down upon. So what?

Baojun Auto is a joint venture brand. Is there anything to be proud of?

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This question is worth thinking about. Because its previous hot sales were inseparable from "playing foreign brands", but after the rise of independent brands, it seems to have been encouraged by "emotional brands" - this is a typical "failure to follow the wind".

During the period of cooperation with individual sales outlets of these two major brands, the sales staff would definitely mention the "advanced technology" of General Motors when introducing technology. For those working in the automotive field, Of course they will sneer at it, but it will still be somewhat attractive to consumers who don’t know anything about cars. However, in the past two years, Wuling has advertised that “Wuling will make whatever the people need” and seems to have become a responsible independent brand. However, this The equity structure of the joint venture company has not changed.

The "structure" of Wuling Motors

When mentioning Wuling, you may think of Guangxi Liuzhou Wuling Motors. It seems that this is an independent brand; but the operating status of Wuling in the early days was not ideal, so Its predecessor was Liuzhou Power Machinery Factory, which could only produce tractors in the early days. It was not until 1982 that Liuji began planning the R&D and production of mini-cars, and three years later the "Liuzhou Mini-car Factory" was officially established.

But at this time, Liuzhou Automobile and Wuling had nothing to do with each other. In other words, Wuling was Wuling and Liuche was Liuche... Wuling Motors was actually established in 1985, but Guilong and Xin were established in 1988. The two companies jointly formed a Sino-foreign joint venture. In 1996, Wuling Automobile Group Corporation merged with Liuzhou Machinery Factory, and Liuzhou Wuling Automobile Co., Ltd. was established.

This is the predecessor of Wuling Automobile, but what changes did Wuling have in the later period? Liuzhou Wuling Automobile also had a difficult start in the early days. After all, it did not have any ideal technical reserves, and its progress would be very slow if it went it alone. Wuling Automobile, which had learned to use the joint venture model early, seemed to choose to "take advantage of the road to overtake".

So in 2001, Liuzhou Wuling Automobile reached a strategic cooperation with SAIC through asset transfer; the following year, SAIC, General Motors, and Liuzhou Wuling formed a joint venture to form the "SAIC-GM-Wuling". However, Wuling Motors still has no strength at all, and its stock ratio is also very low; it seems a bit "humble" in front of the two giants SAIC and General Motors. It has no independent research and development capabilities and needs some technology to build cheap micro cars. How can this be done? What to do?

The answer is of course "paid replacement", that is, using equity to replace some backward technologies, such as the L2B·1.5L engine, with General Motors.

The current stock ratio of Wuling Motors is as follows:

At this point, we can first determine whether Wuling Motors is a joint venture, which is obviously undeniable; secondly, whether the Wuling brand is a joint venture brand, This cannot be denied. Although Wuling Motors was not the first, it has become a standard "joint venture independent brand" after two joint ventures.

However, this is somewhat different from general joint venture brands, such as SAIC-GM Chevrolet, SAIC-GM Buick and other brands. This is a joint venture model using foreign brands; the so-called "joint venture independent brands" are Create an independently established original brand or create a new brand through a joint venture model.

For example, SAIC-GM-Wuling Baojun, Dongfeng Nissan Venucia, Guangqi Honda Concept and others are such brands.

However, who does the brand belong to after the joint venture? It should belong to three parties, so it is also a joint venture brand.

Is Baojun Automobile a joint venture automobile?

There should be no controversy at this point, because Baojun Motors is a brand of the joint venture company SAIC-GM-Wuling; that is, the "product of the joint venture". If Wuling is not too pure a joint venture brand, Then Baojun will die pure.

Therefore, the sales performance of Baojun Automobile in the initial stage of its launch is quite good. Please refer to Baojun 560 and 510. Among them, the sales volume of the small SUV·510 once overtook the best-selling Haval H6; the reasons for the hot sales and the characteristics of the vehicle The actual quality has little to do with it, it just has a good design level and a "generic foreign flavor". Consumers at this stage generally accept this.

Key point: The sales performance of Baojun Automobile is getting worse and worse, and the sales volume is declining sharply year by year! Let’s still refer to Baojun 510. This car recorded a sales of 60,570 units in 2020. Sales in the first month of 2021 were only 1,683 units, and fell to 924 units in the following month.

According to this sales trend forecast, perhaps the sales volume of Baojun 510 this year will drop by about 50% year-on-year; it can be said that this is already the standard for an unpopular car, because its price positioning is a fast-selling car. So why have sales of this once best-selling car been declining? The reason should be that "the joint venture is not pure enough", and secondly, Wuling's "brand endorsement" has the opposite effect. But the key point is that the technical level is really average, but it is so inflated that it blindly rises.

Since the launch of Baojun 530, the feeling of being marginalized has been more obvious; with the launch of RS5, it is basically certain that Baojun will be unpopular, because the engine technology of its L2B & LJO models is backward and has many points. EFI superchargers are not at the same level as competing high-fuel-efficiency direct-injection machines.

In terms of gearboxes, independent brands are mainly excellent wet dual-clutch or AT, but Baojun will eliminate AMT and replace it with a continuously variable transmission (CVT) jointly developed by SAIC and Bosch; this This kind of transmission has problems such as short service life, deceleration sluggishness, low temperature protection, etc., and its quality is not as good as wet dual clutch. However, the price of Wuling Baojun equipped with this system coincides with high-quality competing products, and even coincides with 2.0T performance cars or four-wheel drive SUVs. As a result, the sales volume of RS5 is much lower than that of 510.

To sum up, although Baojun Automobile is a joint venture brand... there is no need to use "although" to evaluate it. The quality of most joint venture brand cars is very low; A-C class cars and SUVs, faults Ninety percent of the top 30 brands with the largest number are joint venture brands. Therefore, the foreign companies in the joint venture have nothing to brag about, and the independent brands in the joint venture will definitely not be better off if they pick up "foreign products" of this level; this is why brands such as Venucia, Concept, and Baojun were ultimately unpopular.

The brand positioning of Wuling Baojun is actually very similar to that of Suzuki or Mitsubishi, which is suitable for "low-demand car users"; but user demand will inevitably increase with the growth of car purchase budgets, so car companies have not kept pace. The ability to grow will inevitably be eliminated.

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Strictly speaking, Baojun is a joint venture independent brand. Between joint venture brands and independent brands. It is the product of national policies over a certain period of time.

At that time, domestic joint venture brands launched their own independent brands one after another. For example, BMW Brilliance Zino, Shanghai Volkswagen Tianyue, FAW-Volkswagen Carrier, GAC Honda Concept, Dongfeng Honda Siming, etc. Currently, the only ones surviving are SAIC-GM Baojun and Dongfeng-Nissan Venucia.

SAIC-GM Baojun is essentially Liuzhou Wuling, but it is a passenger car brand borrowed from SAIC-GM’s brand. What does Wuling do? Wuling is a professional van manufacturer.

In the past few years, Baojun has been developing very strongly, and its presence in the country has become more and more abundant. Models such as Baojun 730, 310, 510 and other models have sprung up like mushrooms after a rain. The huge retention volume will inevitably give rise to a demand for public opinion to protect one's own brand. Therefore, it becomes understandable to brag about Baojun's joint venture status.

Of course, all that is just a trick to deceive oneself and others. Baojun is Baojun, a brand built on the chassis of a minivan. Its only competitiveness is its large space and low price (isn't this the characteristic of minivans).

As for your colleagues’ jokes, just laugh them off. After all, there is no point in arguing with a colleague who relies on a Baojun to enhance his sense of presence. Even if you win the fight, you are actually losing. If you have the time, make some more money and buy a big Ben. By then, no one will be chirping in front of you.

Hello, Baojun can be said to have evolved completely independently. It is a joint venture with a foreign company and must launch an independent brand. Baojun is considered the most successful.

Don’t call your colleagues a fool, Baojun. The brand is a joint venture formed by SAIC-GM-Wuling. In fact, it uses the chassis of Wuling vans for the domestic market. It is also necessary to launch it for national policies. If it is really going to be a joint venture, the full name is SAIC-GM-Wuling Baojun. According to your colleague, Wuling is also Joint venture car, SAIC-GM-Wuling, the lack of 730 and 560 is probably the fate of Venucia and Concept, personal opinion

Baojun Automobile, formerly known as SAIC-GM-Wuling Baojun. From the name, we can all know that Liuzhou Wuling Automobile, Wuling started out as a van. SAIC-GM-Wuling has accumulated more than 20 years of experience in car manufacturing. Later, it combined the strengths of SAIC, GM and Wuling to create an emerging brand in the passenger car market. Baojun 630 is Baojun's first mid-level sedan.

Baojun Auto focuses on third- and fourth-tier cities. It has a huge 4S store. If you want to maintain and repair it, there are maintenance places in towns and villages. Baojun Auto focuses on cost-effectiveness. It’s the space. Every car Baojun produces has more space than cars of the same level, and it also has an affordable price. Nowadays, Baojun’s appearance is becoming more and more fashionable and youthful, just like the Baojun 510, which is cheap in price, fashionable and youthful in appearance, and has high configurations.

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