At present, the hot topic of "installing elevators in old communities" is that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages or the disadvantages outweigh the advantages?

"Installing elevators in old residential areas" is essentially to improve the living environment of citizens on the premise of a qualitative leap in social and material conditions. Installing elevators in old communities, especially those where the elderly live more, is not only a livelihood project, but also a popular project, which is one of the characteristics of stepping into a well-off society. Therefore, from a macro perspective, the advantages of "installing elevators in old communities" definitely outweigh the disadvantages.

What is the concept of old community? What is the definition of old community? Regrettably, there is no authoritative explanation from the government so far.

However, a meeting held by the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development not long ago gave a vague definition from the official authoritative speech: "By 2025, we will strive to complete the task of transforming old urban communities that need to be transformed before the end of 2000." This passage has a qualitative key word for "old community": "completed before the end of 2000", which clearly indicates that this "old community" refers to the small high-rise residential complex (residential buildings with 7 floors or below) approved by the relevant state departments before the end of 2000, that is, the term "completed community" adopted by many provinces and cities at present, and it also excludes old communities and buildings not approved by the state.

Indeed, before the end of 2000, the small high-rise residential groups approved by the relevant state departments were limited by the vision of urban planning at that time, the cognition of social development, and even the basic construction capacity. Decades have passed, and these small high-rise residential groups are very shabby in public facilities, water and electricity, and sewers, especially the embarrassment of going upstairs and downstairs.

According to the spirit of the recent meeting held by the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development, 2020 will be the last year of shed reform, and the shed reform will be replaced by the old one in future urban development and construction. After the shed was replaced, the demolition became history, and the transformation of the old houses in the "built community" became the mainstream. In the process of rebuilding old houses in "built residential areas", it is a special and very important reconstruction project to install elevators.

Therefore, judging from the pace of shed reform, the advantages of "installing elevators in old communities" definitely outweigh the disadvantages. Otherwise, how can the government explain to the people?

The practical confusion of installing elevators in old communities Although the advantages of installing elevators in old communities certainly outweigh the disadvantages in the long run, it is very difficult to implement them at present. Specifically, the following contradictions are difficult to reconcile-

Renovating old residential areas and adding elevators is by no means as simple as building blocks to play house, and its complexity is far beyond imagination. The most complicated thing is not the physical construction of elevators, but the redistribution of vested interests of residents in the same unit and adjacent buildings. And this vested interest is redistributed on the basis of years of fait accompli, and no one can say who is selfish, so it is difficult to reach a consensus:

How to build an elevator? If there are millions of established communities (old communities) in China, there must be millions of different layouts. For example, the water, electricity and gas pipe network, sewer pipe network, building spacing, the distance between each unit and public facilities and even green belts, the number of households on each floor of each unit, and how the elevator door enters the home are all very different. It is impossible to have a unified template for installing the elevator, which leads the owner to make a plan for installing the elevator only for one unit, and this plan must be agreed and signed by all households in the same unit and the affected adjacent buildings. This is very difficult. For example:

If an elevator is installed in a unit of a building, even if the residents on the first and second floors support it, but it is found that the underground of the elevator shaft is the location of the hydropower bus in the whole building, will the hydropower management department agree to the relocation of the hydropower bus? Even if I agree, which building should I move to? If a unit of a building happens to be the corner of the residential evacuation passage, and the installation of elevators must be diverted, can other building owners agree to such a big project?

Increase elevators, there are other elevator builders and elevator brands to choose; Before the state subsidizes 200,000 yuan, how to share the construction cost of each floor and how to subsidize each floor; Lighting and ventilation, noise, fire exits, how to keep the original stairs, whether the load-bearing wall of the elevator door is damaged, how to rebuild the original greenway and many other headaches.

2. Who will manage the elevator after it is completed? Elevator belongs to the special equipment adjusted by the National Regulations on Safety Supervision of Special Equipment, and its management mainly includes mandatory provisions such as safety, operation and maintenance, and its safety management occupies the primary position in property management. Most of the completed communities (old communities) are basically "autonomous" communities, and formal property management companies are basically reluctant to intervene (the community scale is too small, the property fees are too low, and the responsibilities and rights are seriously disproportionate). Although some of them are managed by property agency companies, these property agency companies do not have the elevator management qualification stipulated by the state. Even if individual properties have elevator management qualifications, adding a responsible property management content out of thin air will definitely increase the property fee. Will the owners agree to increase the property fee? In particular, owners who have never used elevators on the first and second floors will mostly resist.

3. After installing the elevator, if there is no property agency to take over the management, how can the user's electricity fee be shared and paid? The electricity bill is still low. Who will take care of the daily maintenance, emergency rescue and annual inspection of elevators?

The original owner of each unit added an elevator, and the house was sold or rented to prevent it from moving in the future. What should the new owner do if he is unwilling to bear the elevator electricity fee, maintenance and annual inspection? And how long is the service life of the elevator? Then it must be replaced. Who will pay the bill and how to share it?

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A realistic example of the master's community A: The master's community is the "last bus" of the old community-a small high-rise commercial community built near Chunxi Road in Chengdu 1998. There is a garden in the middle of the four quadrangle buildings, and there is an underground parking lot under the garden. Each building has two units, and each unit has two households on the first floor. There are evacuation passages around the garden, which can pass ordinary vehicles (not regular fire exits in large residential areas, because large vehicles, such as fire engines, cannot pass in the corners of the garden). It has been 20 years since I moved in 2000. After 20 years of great changes, the small high-rise commercial residential area around Chunxi Road, which was originally rare and sought after, has actually become a "rural area" in the bustling city center. The year before last, the government moved to demolish this community, but after thorough investigation, it was found that the cost of demolition was huge and it had to be abandoned.

We can't tear it down now, we can only rebuild it. My unit is led by the owner. After on-the-spot investigation by the elevator installation company, fortunately, the elevator shaft is not close to the underground parking lot, and it is also far away from the underground pipe network such as water, electricity and sewage. It should be convenient to install the elevator. The scheme is: the elevator enters the house on a flat floor, with one elevator for two households, and the floor-to-ceiling window of each household is transformed into a residence-a large balcony can be added to the floor-to-ceiling window of each household, and the floor-to-ceiling window of the living room is partially transformed into an elevator aisle. In addition to raising money for the elevator itself, each French window is converted into its own money. This scheme needs 600,000 yuan (the government subsidizes 200,000 yuan, and the remaining 400,000 yuan is shared equally by participating households). The advantage is that the entrance area is increased, and you can directly enter and leave the house. The disadvantage is that the cost is high, which will destroy the original pattern of floor-to-ceiling windows in the living room.

A glimpse of the elevator installed in the yard near our community, the flat floor, an elevator and two balconies installed in the house.

A glimpse of the elevator installed in the yard near our community, the flat floor, an elevator and two balconies installed in the house.

For the installation of elevators in our community, except for the first floor, the original residents on the second and third floors do not want to participate, but the Chengdu government currently has a policy of allowing elevators to install balconies. This does not mean that the owners have given up several square meters of buildings. Moreover, the total price is subsidized by 200,000 yuan-for residents on the second and third floors, it doesn't matter whether there is an elevator or not, but the balcony where the elevator is installed is recognized by the state, which is very attractive, and it is inevitable to agree to install the elevator. Although the real estate license with balcony will not be revised at present, the elevator and the house are in contact with official government documents, which also belong to the elevator room, and the value-added of the house has become inevitable.

A glimpse of the elevator installed in the yard near our community, the flat floor, an elevator and two balconies installed in the house.

However, the problem comes-the elevator is installed between the unit door of the building and the evacuation passage of the garden. After the elevator is completed, the width of the evacuation passage is only about 2 meters, and motor vehicles cannot pass. If you want to let motor vehicles pass, you must remove the flower stands involved in the park to make room for 0.5 meters-this is the main crux of the problem.

In other words, when the real estate developer just built this community, the distance between the building and the garden was designed very advanced, and ordinary vehicles could reach the door of the unit, but the elevator transformation in the future was never considered. Therefore, now that the elevator is installed, it is necessary to ensure that private cars (or bullet trains) in adjacent buildings can pass. If the terrace of the garden does not retreat by 0.5 meters, vehicles close to the residents of the building will not be able to pass, and it is impossible to reach the unit door if you want to move or buy big items. Therefore, even if the owners of two units in our building agree to install them, the residents in the next building will definitely fall out because you moved someone else's cheese.

Moreover, the transformation of the garden structure will definitely hurt the bones, regardless of the cost, because it is an underground parking lot!

The successful case of installing elevators in the old community: the original community of a provincial unit in Sichuan (which belongs to the housing reform room) has five or six residential buildings with 7 floors, with 4 households and 28 households on each floor. Except for 4 households on the first floor (although they did not participate in the elevator reform, they all agreed to support it), all 24 households from the second floor to the seventh floor participated in the elevator reform.

There is no uniform standard for how much to pay for each floor, but they operate slightly according to the method of sharing the cost of elevator renovation project in another accommodation area of an adjacent provincial unit, that is, the higher the floor, the more money to pay. Specifically, the second floor is 3,800 yuan per household, more than 3,000 yuan per floor, the sixth floor15,800 yuan, and the seventh floor18,600 yuan, which is more than four times that of the second floor.

They operate elevators for 6200 yuan a year, all inclusive. Including electricity, special inspection fees, maintenance fees, etc. , shared by 24 families participating in the unit. The annual cost of the second floor residents is about 190 yuan, and the 200-7 floors in 290 yuan vary.

In fact, in order to write this question and answer, I specially wandered around the residential area where I live, and found that many former government agencies, enterprises and institutions have been incorporated into the old house with housing reform (it can't be a residential area yet because of its small size and autonomous property management), and the installation of elevators is really in full swing-although many difficulties in installing elevators in the old residential area have been described earlier, the methods are always much more difficult. Imagine, if the disadvantages of "installing elevators in old communities" outweigh the advantages, who is willing to actively participate?

The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. The installation of elevators in old communities generally refers to the following seven floors! Because we were engaged in real estate at that time, the policy required that elevators should not be installed in buildings below the seventh floor, and elevators must be installed in buildings above the ninth floor or the seventh floor. This is a general policy, and now installing elevators also refers to houses below seven floors! So is the first floor used for clothes? Do you use clothes on the second floor? Is the floor still installed? Obviously, this is unnecessary. At that time, the third and fourth floors were the best, and the price was more expensive than other floors 10%. Now, how to share the cost of installing elevators from the fourth floor? If it is shared equally, it is obvious that one layer, two layers and three layers are unwilling, and coercion will inevitably bring contradictions. If 4567 is shared, it will lead to mental imbalance and unbearable economic pressure.

Who will manage the elevator in the future? Now the real estate is already valuable, and many real estates are mainly evil, and there is a trend of deepening contradictions. An elevator was exploited by evil forces and found an excuse. If we are realists, we must prove the reality. Black real estate is a cancer in today's society, and we can't avoid it. Therefore, installing an elevator does more harm than good, so it is better not to worry! I hope that the social enthusiasts who read this short article will express their views, and I also hope that the network management Commissioner will confirm the reality and not delete the knowledge once!

Generally speaking, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Although the residents on the first and second floors disapprove of installing elevators, it will affect lighting and occupy space. However, there are many low-income people and elderly people in the old community, and the public facilities are not matched, which adds a lot of trouble and inconvenience, and also increases many security risks and inconvenient management, which affects the quality of life. And the average old people are nostalgic, living in one place for a long time, building feelings between neighbors and unwilling to move. The government funded the renovation of old residential areas or subsidized the installation of elevators, which is a practical and good thing for ordinary people, beautifying, greening and planning blocks, solving the difficulty for the elderly to go upstairs, facilitating life, making people feel safe, well-being, decorating the city, rejuvenating the old city, keeping up with the rhythm of the times, and retaining historical memories and homesickness. It should be implemented as soon as possible.

First of all, we must be clear about what an old community is. Will a building with only 20 years become an old building? Certainly not! As an owner living in the so-called old community, if he is not in his seventies, physically disabled and lives below the sixth floor, climbing stairs is usually not a problem, not dozens of times a day, after all, within ten times a day. As for rebuilding and building elevators, some people want to benefit from them. I remember that there were no elevators in the previous office buildings, so I climbed the stairs as usual, and I climbed the stairs more often every day. I advocate that there is no need to build elevators in old communities.

Generally speaking, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Anyone over the age of 50 who has participated in the housing allocation in the old and old residential areas knows that those who were assigned upstairs at that time did not dare to talk nonsense, but those who were assigned to the first floor were all people at the bottom. I have been wronged all my life, and there is no place to say, well, now that the elevator has been transformed, these people have been wronged again. I dare say that I just want to exchange the first floor for the upstairs residents, and the residents on the first floor above the ninth floor are willing to exchange the third floor and the fourth floor, at least I am very willing. In short, we can't always let honest people suffer.

This should be a good thing for ordinary people. The government gives subsidies and the people benefit. Generally, people living in old communities are elderly people, so it is inconvenient to go upstairs and downstairs when they are old. Installing an elevator solved the problem for the elderly. The renovation of old residential areas reflects the government's concern for the people and is also a government performance project. However, if there are no perfect rules in this matter, there will be endless troubles. First of all, we should examine whether the overall mechanism of the house can withstand the vibration of the elevator. Generally, old houses are prefabricated brick-concrete structures. And whether it is reasonable to open the door on the load-bearing wall. Now it is how to share the operating costs of elevators, and whether ordinary people can bear the follow-up maintenance costs of elevators. There are also residents on the first floor, and problems will be solved. On the surface, the advantages of this matter outweigh the disadvantages. If it is not handled well for a long time, it will do more harm than good.

No matter whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages or the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, what bothers me most is those who criticize others from a moral height and always say that this is a project that benefits the people. Some people who don't want to install elevators are selfish, and no matter how noisy they are, they can't stop them!

I think this is hypocritical, not just for personal benefit!

I really want to lift this lever. I don't believe most people want to install elevators. In our community, few people are willing to pretend!

Although I live on the fifth floor, I also think that installing elevators does more harm than good!

It is human nature to do it when it is beneficial! If installing an elevator is good for every resident, then you don't have to be persuaded to do so! If it is unfavorable to most householders, coercion will not work!

The most concentrated contradiction is reflected in the interests of low-level and high-level! From everyone's point of view, there is nothing wrong, but ultimately it depends on the interests of the majority!

In the previous building, the price of each floor was different, and there was a big difference! Take the sixth floor as an example, the third floor is the most expensive, followed by the fourth floor, the second floor, the fifth floor, the first floor and the sixth floor!

Installing elevators not only facilitates high-rise buildings to go up and down stairs, but also affects housing prices, which involves the vital interests of every household on each floor and has to be considered!

Before there was an elevator, the third floor was the best floor. With the elevator, the advantage is gone! And the worst six layers benefit the most, and the worst layer is even worse!

As we all know, we bought low-rise buildings for convenience and low price, so we have to endure the shortcomings of lighting, humidity, noise and safety! Buying a high-rise building is also because it is cheap, but it is not convenient to go upstairs and downstairs!

As soon as the elevator is safe, it solves the inconvenient problem of the high-rise, highlighting the characteristics of good lighting, wide vision and quiet! On the contrary, there are more problems in the lower floors, more noise and worse lighting! Who wants to buy a low-rise house at the same cheap price?

Finally, high-rise housing prices skyrocketed, and it is foreseeable that low-rise houses are left unattended! Some people say that after installing the elevator, the overall property price will rise. What's the use? Even if the first floor doubles, no one wants to live. Isn't that just a number?

Similarly, the second, third and fourth floors are not as advantageous as the cheapest floors in the past, and the elevators are unsafe and the enthusiasm will not be high!

How to get the first floor to agree to install the elevator? Simple, change the house on the sixth floor and the first floor! I think there are several six-story people who are willing. So stop talking about old people!

Our community was built in 1980, and each building is six stories high! At that time, when designing, there was no consideration for installing elevators in the future!

There must be no elevator at the back of the house, because the rooms of two families in the apartment design are separated by a wall. From the back, you can't let the elevator door open to the user balcony. Does a family have half an elevator door?

Can only be installed in front of the house! The most suitable is the location of each floor platform! As we all know, the platform has to climb half a floor to get home. Let's not talk about it. Doesn't it affect the exit of the stairs?

The residential road in front of our residential building is more than three meters wide at most. When the elevator is installed in front, it shall not occupy part of the road? Then there will be no car to drive! Ugly, troublesome and impractical!

You have to break the wall of the building when you install the elevator, right? Who can guarantee that the quality of the whole building will not be affected? Life will be shortened anyway!

Elevator is nothing more than the advantage of high-rise buildings going up and down stairs, but it brings a lot of trouble!

The design of our old community itself is not so good! Poor lighting and sound insulation! After the elevator is installed, there will be some problems with lighting and noise, right?

Even if not, privacy will always be affected, right? Every day the elevator goes up and down from the window, even if nothing happens, it always feels awkward. Can't you draw the curtains every day?

The quality of the elevator is not good, and the minimum installation fee is several hundred thousand, right? You have to take about 10 thousand per household, which is still the money for installing the elevator! Who pays the monthly electricity bill? Don't you need a few hundred dollars more? More than RMB 100 per household! The elevator also has the cost of inspection and maintenance, which is also a big expense!

If the elevator breaks down, it will cost a lot of money to repair it. I don't think many people are willing to pay for it. If it is not solved for a long time, the elevator can only be a decoration, which is a joke!

Some people will say that the elevator should be carefully managed after installation! Who will go? Who has nothing to do but stare at others all day to see how to use the elevator?

In short: many factors need to be considered when installing elevators in old residential areas, not only the planning of housing location, but also the interests of the householder!

The most direct benefit of refitting elevators in old communities is that they don't have to climb stairs, which greatly reduces all kinds of inconveniences in life. You don't have to rush every day, you don't have to go up and down the stairs breathlessly, just click with your hand.

Why are you unhappy about such things that do more harm than good? It's just that the cost is high, the charge is unreasonable, and the noise affects the rest of life. Since there are advantages, there are disadvantages. It is best to listen to everyone's opinions, scientifically and reasonably transform and install, and minimize the disadvantages. It must be that the advantages of installing elevators in the old community outweigh the disadvantages, and everything is for the quality of life of residents.

I think it is good and convenient to install elevators in the old community.

Of course, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Improving the quality of life of most people is a good thing. The key is that after the privatization of the house, people's selfish desires have become stronger, and a private word is good. Imagine if the building is public. Is it difficult to install the elevator? Just like dividing fields into households, mechanized farming is not easy to modernize, and some things are irreversible.

Demolition and reconstruction are more in line with urban construction planning. The old house is 30-40 years old, with many problems and unsafe.