Why do labor dispatch unions exist, and do they need to be abolished? what do you think?

I didn't know what labor dispatch meant until I came to my present company.

The company can't say how big it is, the scale of three or four thousand people. In fact, there are several labor dispatch companies. There are six or seven outsourcing units.

Outsourcing is relatively easy to understand. I've been thinking about labor dispatch for a long time, unknown so.

Because it is clear that the company has the index of becoming a full member every year for recruitment, it is necessary to send the company to handle many formalities and expenses first.

We have five insurances and one gold, and the dispatching company is short of one gold. The company only pays the dispatching company and gives employees an extra layer of salary. Outsourcing insurance basically depends on the mood of their respective bosses.

A company has several types of units. Not unheard of, but it feels a lot.

There are many outsourcing units, and there is a hidden rule that hides people's eyes and ears. Although it is a bit "stealing the column", at least there is no problem in the procedure.

To put it bluntly, it is actually the so-called "lazy politics" and "making excuses" often mentioned in party newspapers, or just being afraid of shirking responsibility.

Whether it should exist, something that feels a bit like a mule, or even worse.

Of course, it's not my call.

Why does labor dispatch exist? Should it be cancelled? I'll answer the latter question first. Labor dispatch should be cancelled.

I believe many people know the origin of labor dispatch, so let's briefly talk about it here. In 1980s, in order to solve the problem that foreign-funded enterprises, representative offices abroad, embassies and consulates abroad and other foreign-related institutions could not directly use China employees, the labor dispatch system appeared. China enterprises first hire China employees, conclude labor contracts with China employees, and then send employees to foreign-funded institutions. Later, this model was applied by other industries and enterprises. The implementation of the Labor Contract Law in 2008 established the labor dispatch system from the legal level.

In 2008, the Labor Contract Law came into effect, which stipulated that labor dispatch should be paid equal pay for equal work, and clearly stipulated that it can only be used in the following three positions, namely, temporary, auxiliary and alternative positions. In 20 12, the Interim Provisions on Labor Dispatch was promulgated and implemented, which stipulated that the proportion of using labor dispatch should not exceed 10% of the total employment.

There are many problems in reality, such as:

1, the labor dispatch post has been expanded, whether it is temporary, auxiliary or alternative, enterprises can use it whenever they want;

2. The proportion of labor dispatch has expanded, and the limit of 10% has become a dead letter, and enterprises can use as much as they want;

3. The phenomenon of underpayment, late payment and non-payment of five insurances and one gold is outstanding. If employees are not labor dispatch, the general enterprises seem to be afraid of not paying five insurances. As long as it is a labor dispatch, it will be courageous. Of course, sometimes the problem is not the problem of the employer (Party A), but the problem of the labor dispatch unit. All responsible party a will generally supervise whether the labor service company pays five insurances or five insurances and one gold to employees.

4. The dissolution and termination of the labor contract is not standardized, and no economic compensation is paid;

5, arrears, deduction of wages.

Besides, there are many problems.

The original intention of the labor contract law is to take care of the employing enterprises. When temporary, auxiliary and alternative work occurs in the unit, you can seek help from the labor dispatch company and let the labor dispatch workers engage in some temporary, auxiliary and alternative work in the enterprise. However, there are tens of millions of enterprises. Once the scope of use is expanded, it is not easy for labor law enforcement departments to investigate and deal with illegal acts, and the victims are labor dispatch workers with low legal awareness and weakness.

When there are temporary, auxiliary and alternative positions in enterprises, they can directly recruit, because the term of the labor contract can be long or short, and Party A can formulate a flexible wage system (it is normal for enterprises to have high or low wages). These two measures can completely solve the employment problem of temporary, auxiliary and alternative posts.

Furthermore, there is the economic cooperation mode of outsourcing, and the unwilling low value-added work can be outsourced to professional companies.

So I can't figure out where the rationality of the existence of the labor dispatch system lies. The only explanation is that because labor dispatch has existed for more than 20 years and nearly 30 years, it is impossible to cancel it. If it is abolished, the impact will be too wide, so legislation will guide its development. I just didn't expect that there would be so many problems in the field of labor dispatch, and legislators should re-examine this problem (lax law enforcement is only one aspect, and law enforcement power is also insufficient. In the final analysis, the labor dispatch system is flawed).

It goes without saying that even if a labor dispatch worker works for the employer all his life, the employer will not recognize the dispatch worker as his employee unless he becomes a regular employee through a series of forms.

Otherwise, as long as you are a dispatch worker, even if you are better than others 10 times, even if you create hundreds of times of profits for employers, employers will not treat you as one of their own.

Hehe, let's not talk about treating you as one of our own. To say the least, 1000, is it that they [treat you like a person]?

On this issue, I think everyone who has worked as a dispatcher should understand that the same small work mistake can be forgiven if it is made by an ordinary worker, but if it is made by a dispatcher, the consequences will be serious. The rejection is light, but I won't say it.

The same working style and attitude is no problem for regular workers, but if the labor dispatch workers have the same working style and attitude, it will not work, that is laziness. You have to work 10 times harder and sweat than regular workers. This is not laziness.

I have a classmate in Gansu, a college classmate. He was tricked into being a dispatcher and didn't go home for years. When he got home, he found his mother still eating a film, facing the boiling water. At that time, he wanted to die.

Later, I resigned, went to raise turtles and made some money. Finally, I did a little filial piety in my mother's later years. I believe his mother will never be satisfied if he doesn't quit the scam of labor dispatch earlier.

When this buddy came out for dinner with us, he recalled his three-year labor dispatch career and couldn't help crying several times. As a college student, he was bossed around by people who were less capable than him, and his self-esteem was greatly hit. The key is that the profits and achievements he produces are married.

What does it mean to get married? It was his (dispatcher's) achievements, and in the end his surname was "Zheng" rather than "Pai". It's like James shooting on the court wearing a mask. No matter how many baskets he throws, it must be put on Thompson's account when counting the scores.

Therefore, young people, what they can quit is to quit early, especially after 90. As far as I know, many post-90 s people know that it is a labor dispatch, and they will not sign a contract and leave directly.

Of course, what can I do when I am old? We can only wait for the good news.

I think the answer to this question should start from the following three aspects:

I. Legal basis

As we all know, the labor dispatch company is the product of the reform of China's labor employment system, and its existence is based on the provisions of the labor law. What is the original intention and purpose of legal support? Simply put, it is to introduce competition mechanism, reduce the unit labor cost, activate the floating labor market, and avoid wasting labor resources.

Second, employers.

With the labor dispatch company, there are direct benefits: labor resources can be found at any time, dissatisfied and incompetent employees can be dismissed through short-term contracts, and the number of employees can be determined according to the workload of the unit, avoiding direct disputes and disputes and saving management expenses and costs; Disadvantages: the employer is equivalent to the school. Once the employees of the dispatching company are familiar with the business, the chances of job-hopping to their peer employers will increase, and the spirit of overcoming the difficulties with their former employers will be greatly reduced. Employers are constantly training and personnel are constantly losing. The opportunities of poaching and poaching between employers are equal, the affection between units and employees is weakened, and the psychology of mutual care can never be let go.

Third, the labor dispatch staff

I have no sense of belonging in the employer and am an outsider. In many cases, I can't get equal pay for equal work. I only have a contractual relationship with the labor dispatch company. I have no acquaintances and I don't know who the leader is. In the employer, there is only one job, and in the dispatching company, there is only one name hanging there. I feel like a wild child. My grandmother doesn't hurt, and neither does my uncle. What supports my psychology is always the salary on the first day of every month. What makes me uneasy is that I break my contract and leave at any time, change companies, the promotion and demotion of my position and the evaluation of my professional title have nothing to do with you. Of course, dispatching employees is not useless, and the interests and fate of employers and dispatching companies will not bind you. When these companies are not doing well, you can always raise your hand and say "bye-bye".

Of course, this will not cancel the labor dispatch company, and others are officially allowed to operate by the state. There is a need.

Employers and labor dispatch companies depend on each other and use each other.

Large enterprises must rely on dispatching companies to recruit talents, because the ability of enterprises alone is limited. At present, there is a large turnover of employees in enterprises, so it is necessary to prepare enough personnel to fill the vacancy. Even if enterprises go to the talent recruitment market to open a window to recruit people, or hold large-scale enterprise job fairs, they will consume a lot of manpower and material resources, which is not satisfactory.

Giving it to the dispatching company is different. People come in every day. It is also the best thing for both sides.

As employees, especially those who have no work experience, they may feel extremely wronged. It is to immediately enter the tense assembly line position, and you must keep up with one process to another. Your familiarization time is three to five days, and you will enter the state, otherwise. I can't keep up with the progress. Everyone is tired of you. Backward performance. Performance bonuses will drop. At this time, your foreman and yourself will have an emotional ideological struggle. Because the foreman will be criticized for considering the decline in production (newcomers are not counted in the team for three days). Employees will think about their future, because people with weak hearts will leave. If you are determined to do things by yourself, accept others' teaching experience, guiding methods and means with an open mind, and listen carefully and remember what you don't understand. I'll start soon. Nothing can stop such a person.

Some people with social experience and work experience are still willing to cooperate with the dispatching company. They don't want to be full-time employees, they just want to make a transition here and have other businesses for a certain period of time. Or when they want to become full members, which is consistent with the needs of the sending party.

I think it is necessary to set up a company, because its existence will solve the problems of labor shortage in enterprises and personal food and clothing.

The establishment of the labor dispatch company is to better safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of workers, but the dispatched personnel are angry with the labor dispatch company because they feel that they and the formal personnel of the unit have been treated differently.

You can think of it this way. Can I enter these units without the dispatch of the dispatching company? Although there is a gap in treatment between us and the regular workers in our work units, what about those who can't get in?

In addition, the state has strict requirements for labor dispatch companies, but some dispatched personnel do not understand the relationship between themselves, the dispatch company and the labor service company, so they feel that there is no way to complain about problems and feel cheated.

Don't spray the above personal opinions unless you like them!

Seeing that friends are so concerned about this kind of thing, I would like to add a few points, which may give you a new understanding of labor dispatch.

Labor contract employment is the basic employment mode of Chinese enterprises. Labor dispatch is a supplementary way, which can only be implemented in temporary, auxiliary or alternative jobs.

A temporary position refers to a position with a term of no more than six months.

Auxiliary refers to the non-main business positions that provide services for the main business positions.

Substitution post refers to the position that the employer's workers can be replaced by other workers in a certain period of time because of full-time study, vacation and other reasons.

It can be seen that labor dispatch itself is correct. If friends feel cheated, or the practices of labor dispatch companies and employers violate national laws, they can safeguard their rights and interests according to law.

Recently, I found that everyone is very enthusiastic. Regarding whether labor dispatch should be cancelled, in fact, the nature of labor dispatch itself is still good, but it has been used by some people and enterprises with ulterior motives and has become a sharp weapon to squeeze ordinary people.

In fact, employers can directly recruit. Is it true that only labor dispatch companies can recruit people, but employers can't recruit people? Think about it. It's all jokes! Some companies are keen to recruit people through intermediary companies, which can reduce some disputes, and these intermediary companies will sign employment contracts with the company in the name of labor dispatch, seek benefits and mutual benefit!

Some companies will also recruit in the talent market. Interestingly, what is the nature of the talent market? So many problems need our own control, and we can't always complain about others.

In fact, I think the concept of a country is towards the people. As far as the nature of labor dispatch itself is concerned, it can first reduce the pressure on enterprises, and a large number of people can start businesses, and then use the form of labor dispatch to reduce their own risks. Secondly, compared with temporary workers, it is more legal for workers to send labor services, and the rights and interests of temporary workers cannot be reasonably guaranteed. For example, the boss can ask a temporary worker to do a lot of things, and then not pay the temporary worker or pay less, because the temporary worker is unreliable, so he has to submit to humiliation or leave the unit. Because there are laws to follow, the contract system can not only ensure that enterprises can effectively reduce risks, but also ensure the wages and benefits of contract employees, and can also restrain enterprises and further suppress employees.

Everything should have two sides. When the good things above are finished, it's time to say bad things.

There is a saying that it is not society that is complicated, but people. We know that labor dispatch must sign an effective labor agreement because of national laws and regulations, and some enterprises will inevitably do something to invalidate the labor agreement. For example, in some enterprises, when employees sign a labor agreement, they will not let employees read the articles of association of the labor agreement, but only tell you where to sign it, which will make the labor agreement completely invalid, even if there is one, it is biased towards the enterprise side.

In addition, some enterprises directly stamp the documents that originally belonged to employees after signing. We all know that the document of labor dispatch is in triplicate. If an enterprise takes away the contract of employee labor dispatch, it will lead to employees being deprived of their due rights by the enterprise, and there is no document to protect their own interests.

Of course, there are some more rampant enterprises. As business owners, they will set up labor dispatch companies outside, but such companies can only be leather bag companies. For enterprises in some small areas, some benefits can be obtained in this way.

Recently, I found that everyone is very enthusiastic about whether labor dispatch should be cancelled. In fact, the nature of labor dispatch itself is still good, but it has been used by some enterprises with ulterior motives and has become a sharp weapon to squeeze ordinary people.

If the labor dispatch is cancelled, there will be the following difficulties.

First of all, what about the workers who used to send employees through labor services? Don't think so well of every enterprise. In other words, if you are the boss and you spend 3000 yuan to hire workers, after the labor dispatch, you only need to spend 1500. If you were the boss, what would you do? You don't even have to ask the answer. If you are the boss, you will definitely choose to spend 1500 yuan to hire people, and some bosses may get some kickbacks during their stay. This is a fact, certainly not much. Some bosses say that the original employees will be turned into regular employees because the company will pay more.

Secondly, the sudden cancellation of labor dispatch, in the absence of reasonable employment methods, will the temporary workers' physique reappear, making them backpackers again, and enterprises with ulterior motives will squeeze workers in a more cruel way than before. How to avoid this phenomenon?

So when will the relevant regulations be issued to ensure that workers can have effective and reasonable ways to protect themselves after losing the form of labor dispatch? Where is the more rational way of employing people? How to ensure that the kindness of the state for the benefit of workers will not be used by others?

To sum up, labor dispatch itself is set for workers, but it is inevitable that some enterprises will use the loopholes in labor dispatch itself to make profits and then dispatch labor. If you cancel at once, how to solve a series of problems?

Labor dispatch workers are deceptive traps and lairs. I have fallen into the trap twice, once for the auxiliary police and once for the subway. * * * spent more than 50,000 labor agency fees. After graduating from college, I stepped into the society and missed four years of youth.

Labor dispatch is hooliganism. In the final analysis, it was Hong who exploited and squeezed the legitimate interests of workers, and then the employers and the leaders of the labor service companies redistributed these interests privately. On the dark side of society, some people say that labor dispatch promotes employment. I want to talk nonsense. How many jobs should there be? It's just that labor service companies want to exploit workers' wages, and employers' leaders need kickbacks. Because there is a lot of room for operation, the leaders of both sides hit it off and colluded with each other. Who cares about the bitterness of the bottom workers?