Why don't domestic cars design muscle cars?

This is an interesting question. In fact, the type of "muscle car" has basically disappeared even in the United States. They refer to those cars with high power, heavy weight, large volume, no maneuverability, only focusing on cruising and acceleration, and their appearance is relatively square and tough.

Now the familiar musatang, Camaro and Challenger are not "American muscle cars", but "small carriages" in Chinese, because they are basically mobile, but they do not meet the requirements in size and power.

Of course, you may be talking about a hard-core and rough car like the Ford Mustang. If so, I would like to ask why Japan and Europe have not designed this type of car. What kind of car should be designed is still related to the culture of the country and region. For example, Horton, a local Australian brand, is still very muscular and pursues large displacement, which is definitely inseparable from their broad road and closeness to nature.

So I decided that we should never design a so-called muscle car for domestic cars, which is really fake. We should design cars with our own national cultural connotation. If you look at the Lexus next door, it will smell completely different from European cars and American cars. This is what our domestic brands should do.

Why should self-driving cars design muscle cars? Get a big car shell and put it in the 1.5T turbocharged engine? Is this muscle a little weak? American muscle cars are not superficial, but have strong power and poor handling, but the advantage is that ordinary people can afford them. Specifically, they are special products developed for those consumers who like to speed up their pleasure but are not rich. Rough Americans are different from relatively delicate Europeans. Europeans like to run in circles, while Americans like to run in a straight line, so there is a muscle car with great power and simple mechanical structure!

The real muscle car was actually killed as early as the first global oil crisis!

Muscle cars appeared in the United States after the 1950s. At that time, the American economy developed rapidly, the penetration rate of civilian cars was extremely high, and the income of ordinary people also increased significantly; As the saying goes, when you are full, you have to have some fun. At this time, Americans are not satisfied with using cars every day. They hoped to bring some fun with cars, but at that time, sports cars in America or Europe were very expensive and ordinary people could not afford them. So at that time, several American car companies developed a muscle car as soon as they studied it. Although the original muscle car was not as expensive as the European performance car, its positioning was also a luxury attribute, so it was also a product of the rich. The target group of muscle cars is a group of people who love cars, like to play the limit and are relatively rich (the poor also play the low-priced version of muscle cars and small carriages). At that time, the fuel price in the United States was very low, but then the oil crisis broke out and the fuel price rose sharply. This kind of muscle car gradually lost its meaning of existence. The high fuel consumption brought by such a large shell and such a large displacement engine was no longer affordable for most rich people in the United States at that time!

The transition from muscle car to small carriage

Muscle car: muscle car

pony car

The so-called small carriage is now considered as a muscle car by many friends, such as Ford Mustang and Camaro. After the oil crisis, muscle cars lost their meaning of existence, and small cars with relatively small physique and low displacement gradually became the mainstream (low displacement here refers to those versions with large displacement, and high-performance versions still retain large displacement engines); In the early days, the boundary between a muscle car and a small carriage was very clear. Muscle car is a luxury car with big head and large displacement, while small carriage is a non-luxury car with small head and low displacement. With the outbreak of the oil crisis, muscle cars disappeared completely, and small carriage performance models representing the civilian population gradually became the mainstream. Therefore, it is true that today's small carriage is a muscle car, but the price of small carriage is more close to the people, so Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Bumblebee have survived through hardships in the historical development. . .

Why can't domestic cars design muscle cars?

Traditional muscle cars are beyond the reach of American consumers. Why build it? Build it and sell it to who? How to build it? American muscle cars have clear regulations that the shell should be large and the engine should be V8. The domestic mass-produced V8 engine simply doesn't exist, so we don't have the ability to build a muscle car in terms of powertrain. Even if it is made, who will buy it? Even the consumers who can afford the 2.3T Mustang are very few. It would be ridiculous to build a muscle car by themselves! We can use a tape measure to solve the muscle feeling of the shell. What about the heart? Stuffing a 1.5T engine is not space, and it will give people the illusion that the whole body is eaten by drugs!

In short, it's not that autonomous car companies don't design muscle cars, but that they can't design muscle cars, and the shell is easy to take. Does the car only have a shell? The most striking feature of muscle car is V8, but do we have it? Even if it is designed as a small carriage like Mustang or Camaro, it must have at least a 2.3T, right? It is extravagant hope and empty talk to build anything without a high-power engine, and it is meaningless to build a muscle car with domineering appearance and no strength; Moreover, the grandiose appearance of American muscle cars does not conform to the aesthetic views of mainstream consumers in China!

First, we need to know what a muscle car means.

The term "muscle car" appeared in 1980s and 1990s, especially referring to an American rear-wheel drive with large displacement V8 engine, strong horsepower and muscular appearance, which was active in 1960s and 1970s. Now it is also used to refer to the American economical sports car with V8 engine. Muscle car is the representative of a generation of American spirit. The familiar Mustang, Camaro and Dodge Challenger are typical muscle cars.

The above is a description of the muscle car, which we can understand as an economical sports car with high horsepower, fierce appearance and American characteristics.

First of all, drivers should know that China has a tax on emissions, which is included in our car price. Where: the displacement is below 1.0l (including1.0l); 1% displacement is above 1.0l to 1.5l (inclusive); 3% displacement is above 1.5l to 2. : 9% displacement is more than 2.5 liters to 3.0 liters (including 3.0 liters): 12% displacement is more than 3.0 liters to 4.0 liters (including 4.0 liters): 25% displacement is more than 4.0 liters: 40% ordinary muscle car displacement is more than 3.0, which costs 65438+.

Let's talk about the appearance. Muscle car is a model with American characteristics, which is exposed, distinctive and individual. This is caused by American culture, while our China culture is influenced by Confucianism, and we pay attention to modesty and introversion, ignoring appearance and connotation. Due to cultural differences, there are few domestic manufacturers designing muscle cars, which is also the most fundamental reason that the bureau thinks, especially with the reform and opening up of China's automobile industry, practicality has always been the first factor. Finally, there is this economical sports car. Friend, how many people are there in the United States and China? The price and displacement tax are not economical, and the road conditions can't run. If it weren't for the strength at home, how many people would buy such a muscle car?

Not making money, not being cost-effective, and not having a market are the reasons that the bureau thinks hinder domestic manufacturers from designing muscle cars.

Why don't domestic cars design muscle cars! Is it interesting to design a shell?

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Cars are American favorites, Ford Mustang, Bumblebee, F 150, but these are too small in China, and only the design appearance is meaningless. The most important car is three pieces, and the selling point of domestic cars is low price and high configuration. As for those three things ... I understand them all.

Nowadays, domestic cars are getting more and more beautiful in appearance and interior, but what about the three big pieces?

If you designed the three major parts of the muscle car, did you develop them yourself or buy them at buy buy?

Automobile research and development is not as simple as lip service, it must have core technology, and the engine, gearbox and chassis do not have their own technology! The power of muscle cars can't be completed by changing the shell, otherwise domestic cars are just changing the shell!

Domestic cars do not design muscle cars, which is not in line with national conditions. Domestic cars like large space, low price and high configuration, and sales can't go up. Who will do something that is unprofitable? Second, the technology reserve is insufficient, and many technologies can only be bought now! therefore ...

The muscle car is the symbol of American cars. Has been eliminated.

Many car enthusiasts have a special liking for "muscle car", which is a coupe with sharp lines, full body and looks very "strong". However, it is almost impossible to choose this kind of car now. The previous generation muscle car should be the old Mai Rui Bao, sports car and Mustang- Mustang, but the price is still a little high. So why can't domestic cars make muscle cars to lower the consumption threshold?

Let's look at a set of pictures first.

1, old Mai Ruibao

2. Wild horses

3. Comalo

4. Challenger (Dodge)

5.dodge viper

The muscle car has outstanding characteristics. It not only has a full body, but also has a front that hardly considers the wind resistance coefficient, such as Dodge Challenger. The biggest resistance of a car in driving is wind resistance. The design of a slightly forward-leaning front like this will have considerable wind resistance, which will affect the performance to a certain extent in rapid acceleration and high-speed driving, but the most important thing is to affect fuel consumption. Therefore, such a sports car is actually not "professional", it is just a style created to meet the aesthetic needs of users; The reason why this kind of muscle car became popular in the United States in the 1980s and 1990s was related to the popularity of muscle male stars such as Stallone and Schwarzenegger.

However, aesthetics will always change, or aesthetics will have a cycle of reincarnation; The current aesthetic standard is neutral, and the muscular man with a knot in his heart is somewhat out of date. Asia-Pacific pop culture is deeply poisoned by Japanese and Korean pop culture, and its overall level is not even neutral. Popular designs in Europe are always quite satisfactory, and muscle cars are generally considered as "violent and barbaric", so their popularity has not been high. The elements popular in the United States in recent years can be summed up in one word-"decadence". All kinds of strange disaster films reflect the gloom of the present situation in the United States. Muscle cars are far less attractive than cheap cars in Japan and South Korea. Its elite still retains this aesthetic habit, mainly the big pickup truck, so the muscle car is really out of date.

It is naturally reasonable for the domestic automobile industry not to build muscle cars. First of all, every car system must have its own characteristics, and blind imitation is hopeless. For example, the automobile industries in Japan and South Korea have over-imitated American cars, so they only have good performance in the local market and North American market, and their share in the European market is very general. In the initial stage, China automobile brands have drawn lessons from various styles, that is, attempts of various automobile styles, but they still need to embody some elements related to China traditional culture and current popular culture, or guide a cultural trend through automobile design.

For example, the Longyan design language of BYD dynasty series used by Qin, Han, Tang and Song dynasties is also very nervous, but it also incorporates the design of reducing wind resistance coefficient, realizing the integration of fuel saving and exquisiteness; Some people say that the design of Longyan is dominated by Iger. Actually, Tang's car was completed by China's design team, and Han's car didn't involve Iger too much, otherwise it would really go bad.

To sum up, the main reason why domestic cars don't make muscle cars is cultural differences. Muscle cars are phenomenal cars, and they are destined to be eliminated. Vehicles should not have special "male characteristics" or "female characteristics", as long as they are neutral, they can meet the aesthetic needs of all consumers at the same time.

As for the problem of wind drag coefficient, I don't need to go into details. Dodge Challenger is not a real sports car, but Viper is the benchmark of sports car. Moreover, this car is designed in strict accordance with aerodynamic standards to minimize wind resistance. Of course, vipers are mainly used to improve performance, while ordinary scooters are used to reduce fuel consumption. Facing the pressure of carbon emission and double integral, the design that can reduce 0. 1L will be adopted, which is another core factor to accelerate the elimination of muscle cars.

Another understanding of muscle cars is "large displacement and high performance". Now domestic cars will have high performance without large displacement.

If the displacement of American muscle cars is less than 3.0T/5.0L-NA, the performance will not be discussed. 2.3T Mustang is an awkward existence. For fuel vehicles, only the super-large displacement can achieve high performance, but the fuel consumption of large displacement is too high. Except the United States, all countries and regions have strict restrictions on vehicle displacement, which will increase the use cost of large-displacement vehicles through carbon tax or other means, especially in Japan and Europe, and even 2.0T is quite large.

Domestic users will definitely consider these issues, so large-displacement muscle cars are doomed to be unpopular; However, domestic cars no longer use large-displacement internal combustion engines to improve power, and it is enough to have advanced electric drive systems. The former Viper achieved a 100-kilometer acceleration of 4.5 seconds with an 8.3L engine and ultra-high standard lightweight. This achievement was once regarded as "amazing", but today, even many hybrid or electric domestic cars with a positioning range of 200,000-300,000 are not as good as it is.

You can refer to Korean DM/EV and Tucki P7 for positioning mid-to-high-grade domestic cars. The former hybrid four-wheel drive version accelerates by 4.7s, EV flagship four-wheel drive version accelerates by 3.9s, Tucki P7 rear-wheel drive version accelerates by 6.7s, and the four-wheel drive version accelerates by 4.4s ... These cars achieve ultra-high performance through motors, and at the same time greatly reduce vehicle costs by relying on the high efficiency of motors, which is impossible for American muscle cars using internal combustion engines.

Therefore, the muscle car that will roar after starting symbolizes the once developed automobile industry and the primitive internal combustion engine in the United States. This kind of car should be eliminated.

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The challengers of Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro and Chrysler are three classic muscle cars in the United States. Large displacement engine, beautiful exhaust sound and coquettish appearance are all synonymous with muscle car.

Every country has its own unique automobile culture, for example, Europeans like hatchbacks with diesel engines, Japanese prefer mini-cars, and the United States is sparsely populated and prefers wide models.

Therefore, China is a new automobile market, and there is no automobile culture like Europe and America, so we haven't formed a model with China characteristics. In fact, there is no muscle car in China for the simple reason. Because there is no market, there is no market, and automobile manufacturers are naturally reluctant to invest in the research and development of such models. Look at the overwhelming SUV in China now, and you will know what kind of car China people are more interested in.

The first thing to understand is the definition of muscle car. The real American muscle car has a displacement of at least 5.0L, the Ford Mustang, which is common in the market, is 2.3T, and the Chevrolet Camaro is 2.0t.. Dodge Challenger is not a real muscle car, but a pony at best.

As for why China doesn't design muscle cars, I think there are several reasons.

First, the technical strength is limited.

At present, only 6.0V 12 of the large-displacement engines on Hongqi L5 are mass-produced in China. What's the use of designing a sports car shell without a corresponding engine? Even a 2.0T or 3.0T engine is at most the level of a pony, which is far from a real muscle car.

Second, the domestic automobile culture.

Domestic private cars only began to rise in the 1980s, and it was nearly 10 years before they were truly popularized. In the United States, where muscle car culture is the most prosperous, car culture is at least 50 years ahead of China. In other words, there are still too few people playing with cars in China, and most of them are still in the stage of transportation.

Third, the objective reason is poverty.

At present, Chinese people's purchasing power is low, and liking it does not mean they can afford it. If all manufacturers really make great efforts to develop large-displacement engines to produce muscle cars, there will only be one result, and those who like it can't afford it, and those who can afford it can't afford it. Just look at how many domestic cars of more than 200,000 can be sold every year. 90% of people who call for domestic products every day will not buy them.

Judging from the logo design, China lacks design talents in this field. Designers have to be invited from abroad to take art exams for many years, all in order to get a diploma. There are so many design majors in universities that most of them change careers after graduation. The training mechanism of design talents is not good, and the employment mechanism is even more rubbish. Just like football in China, mud can't help the wall. In fact, most of the big guys are interested in the shape of muscle cars, but designers who can imitate a little bit can't design them in China, and they are also accused of plagiarism. It's no use just designing a shell for car styling design! The details should be done well, and every line of the car body should be paid attention to, so that the beauty of 360 degrees without dead ends can't be handled! This is related to the materials and workmanship of the car after mass production. I think domestic cars should spend some energy on design! Treat every car as a handicraft, not just thinking about how much money to make. The design is ugly and can't be sold. No matter how good your cost budget is, it is also a chicken rib! Think hard, car companies!

Domestic cars that do not design muscle cars are not only related to the domestic car environment, but also related to factors such as policy and cost. In terms of policies, there are policies and regulations such as double points for domestic cars and fuel consumption restrictions. As far as the fuel consumption limit of passenger cars is concerned, the current passenger cars need to meet the requirements of the fourth-stage fuel consumption standard. At the same time, the overall target of average fuel consumption of passenger cars in 2020 is set at 5L/ 100km, which is not suitable for the domestic market of muscle cars, nor does it meet the standards of energy conservation and emission reduction from the policy point of view, and naturally there is no interest in domestic car companies.

On the other hand, designing a muscle car from the perspective of cost will undoubtedly increase the cost of the vehicle. In addition, domestic cars started late and spent a lot of money to design muscle cars. Even with the current domestic automobile market consumption, it is a loss-making business. If you want to occupy an angle in the market, you need to start from other aspects of the vehicle. At the same time, muscle car is also a technology in adjustment. Some joint venture cars or multinational car companies will have more experience in designing this kind of muscle car.

In short, there are many considerations for domestic cars not to design muscle cars. Of course, in terms of fuel consumption and car cost, even if the muscle car is as good as 1000, it will scare away many people. Car companies should not only develop vehicle technology, but also launch corresponding models according to the actual situation, so as to face fierce market competition.

Domestic manufacturers are designed to be so popular. Even if hundreds of thousands of people buy it, will more people really buy it? The concept of muscle car itself is very popular in the United States, but it is also defeated in the United States. Chevrolet Camaro, Ford Mustang, Chrysler 330C and Dodge Challenger, which are well-known to domestic friends, are all representatives of a few muscle cars at this stage, but their sales are bleak and domestic manufacturers will not try.

The special name "muscle car" was active in the 1970s, and usually refers to a car with strong muscle protrusion, large displacement and high fuel consumption. Unlike European supercars, the entry price of muscle cars is lower, and an ordinary American worker can buy one with half a year's income. However, with the outbreak of several international oil crises, the international oil price soared, and the disadvantages of large displacement and high fuel consumption under the car shell gradually appeared. Most muscle cars did not have their own shapes.

Most male consumers really like the bold design style of American muscle car, but from the national situation, many domestic brands can't do this kind of car only by engine. Even if they do, China's increasingly stringent emission standards will limit their development. What do you think is the right price to buy a muscle car? 100000 or 200000, or even higher. We must know that the price of traditional imported muscle cars such as Mustang and Camaro in China is only 300,000, and they are all in the fifth place. If you want to buy them, you must confirm whether you can get a license. Different from SUVs such as Touran. Although Touran's engine is only 2.0T, Volkswagen sells a large space. The engine of 2.0 is put in for emission and cost, which is obviously more practical.

The American muscle car looks big, but the actual space inside the car is very general. Most of the designs are given to the appearance, the interior and workmanship are rough and nothing new, and the domestic automobile culture is far from the western countries. Most families buy cars for the sake of economy, and worrying about driving is the consideration of most people. Finally, talk about security. The design of American muscle cars has little to do with drag coefficient, which affects fuel consumption. It is also not conducive to engineers to make drastic changes in vehicle safety. The early square design was limited by many factors such as body materials, and most traffic accidents were more serious than modern vehicles.

Market, emissions and R&D are the main factors affecting its development. The above is my personal opinion. I hope it helps you.