Is it true that domestic cars have been driven for a long time without joint ventures?

Relatively speaking, the current models of 100000 and below are not much worse than joint venture vehicles, and some even surpass some joint venture vehicles. If you say they are unreliable, you can still see the euro for more than ten years. Isn't it possible to see Saif, Yun Qi, Benben and F3 for more than ten years? Other people's cars have been running for more than ten years, but ours are ok. Are we independent? Of course, there will be a gap compared with the joint venture, but we must also admit that the progress of domestic cars in recent years is a fact, not just ridicule. Many people say that the overall quality of domestic cars will decline and the failure rate will increase after two or three years of driving. Please do not live a few years ago. Okay, this authority? It's nothing more than the so-called old driver and master from the garage. Domestic production is not good, but it is not reliable. Again, don't just look at the past. Every country's automobile industry is not a one-step start.

I dare not say much, but I dare not think about what happened five years ago. However, through long-term experience accumulation and high-input independent research and development funds, some domestic products have the conditions to manufacture high-level and high-quality automobile products, and some even dare to break through luxury high-end models. Among the independent brands, Geely Automobile, Changan Automobile, Great Wall Automobile, Chery Automobile and BYD Automobile are the car companies I trust and admire most.

You may not imagine that we used to be the world's largest automobile sales country, but none of our own brands had more than 200 thousand models. Joint venture vehicles have grasped this point. They seem to believe that China manufacturing will not break through this level, which makes them occupy the mid-to-high-end market all the year round. They have a proud attitude, no preferential treatment and no good service now, because if you just want to choose a better model, only they, Haval H8, have appeared. Breaking this historical myth, of course, the process of breaking through luxury is arduous and even painful. Fortunately, our own brands have stuck to their teeth. Haval H9 has been listed one after another. Today's WEY brand, BYD Tang, has a 4.9-second 0- 1 acceleration, which makes people want to stop, and it is exported to new energy buses all over the world, so that crooked nuts can understand what chind manufacturing is, and Geely's own car market is the first. It is also a representative model of an autonomous medium-sized car like Borui. Chery's engine thermal efficiency and Changan's engine blue whale technology are all shortlisted for the China Heart Award-winning list. Isn't it good to start decades later than others?

Of course, some domestic independent brands do not strive for progress, do not develop new technologies, and make low-quality and low-end products, which obviously lowers the image of independent brands. This is unfair to other enterprises. In the past, they made their own vehicles in a simple and rude way, but after a few years, they found that the whole vehicle was loose. This phenomenon still exists today. Customers buy this kind of products, and when they find problems, they say that the quality of domestic cars is unqualified, and it makes no difference whether they do well or not. So, it's not that your own brand can't work, but that you chose the wrong brand.

Some people never want to admit the progress China has made, and naively tell others that they buy domestic products because they are poor. I really don't know where your so-called superiority comes from. Do you know what this concept is? Their owners can choose low-priced Cadillac ATS-L or even Audi A4L. You can choose from Qi Jun, Tiguan, Angkewei and Explorers. You told me they had no money. You just need to drive a Mercedes-Benz S- BMW 7 Series. I believe that such people are generally not so bored to laugh at others. You may open a joint venture of 654.38 million yuan, configuration or joint venture, and the former drummer shakes the back window. This joke is independent. You're just brushing your sense of existence and saying,

Because of these five car companies, which one is pulled out, they pay taxes a year, and you may not be able to afford it after several rounds of life. For domestic cars, we should do it, give good support, resist the second time, be tolerant and never condone!

First of all, I hate those people who say that the value of a car is preserved, because buying a car is not for selling it in the future, nor for how much your car will be worth in the future, because buying a car is because you like it, not because you sell it in the future. My first car was a domestic car, so I won't mention the name, lest others say that I have been advertising for more than nine years and just changed my joint venture car. Rich people want to sell more expensive cars, which has nothing to do with reliability and patriotism, but I won't buy Japanese cars or Korean cars, so don't mind my feelings.

My first car has been driving for more than nine years, and there are no major problems and few minor ones. In nine years, I changed four tires, a starter, my modified hernia headlights and two batteries, which is enough. Up to now, it's still 200 yuan and 600 kilometers, which is enough to save fuel, but I changed the car only because of its ugly appearance.

It is recommended to buy domestic products with less money in your pocket and high configuration. When you get rich, it depends on your mood. It's best not to look at what others say, just be happy.

It's the first time to say so much, don't spray if you don't like it.

Many of my friends are complaining about why the domestic car he bought ran well at first and why it was not as good as before. The abnormal sound and fuel consumption of the whole vehicle have slowly disappointed him. In addition to the huge space and rich configuration, the overall performance is declining, which is obviously different from the joint venture brands of the same age.

Cars are consumer goods, and people will have losses and failures in the process of using them. Let's look at the more convincing data of this question. Car home's statistics on the overall performance of the automobile industry give us the answer.

This list is based on the number of failures of 100 vehicles, and counts the number of failures of products in use. The smaller the data, the fewer the vehicle failures, and the more worry-free it is in the process of using the car. In this list, we see a large number of joint venture brands and imported brands. Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Ford and other brands have exceeded the overall level of the industry. Of course, Chery and BYD are two domestic brands that surpass the overall level of the industry. Sure, just these two.

There are many excellent products in domestic cars, and the quality performance of Chery, Qoros, BYD, Great Wall and other products has brought consumers a better car experience. However, there are many domestic car brands, and many shoddy products have lowered the overall quality performance. The overall quality of domestic cars is lower than the overall level.

Let's talk about an interesting topic first, that is bathtub curve, which can reflect the design process of a product. It is divided into three stages, the first stage is the initial performance stage of the product, the second stage is the effective life stage, and the third stage is the failure rate explosion stage.

The first stage, from the perspective of product design, is a car development process from scratch. There will be many failures in this process, and manufacturers will debug and rectify at this stage, making the products tend to be normalized. Reduce the failure rate of the whole vehicle.

The second stage is the design life of the product, which is determined by the positioning of the product and the strength of the manufacturer. If a car is positioned in sports, its service life in the second stage will not be too long. If it is positioned in a family car, its service life will be longer at this stage, and the length of the second stage will ensure the normal service time of your car.

The third stage is the fault outbreak period. After 10 runs for 200,000 kilometers, a series of problems, such as increased failures, worn ball cage, severe gearbox jitter and engine oil burning, indicate that the car has entered the third stage. The multi-fault outbreak period represents the time for car replacement.

If you don't understand, then the author simply and rudely tells you that the first and second stages of domestic cars are shorter than those of joint venture cars, which means that the development process and use process of domestic cars are shorter than those of joint venture cars. There is a simple reason. Our vehicle manufacturing system and supplier system have great room for improvement. There are many reasons for this. The overall explanation is that our basic industries and supporting industries are relatively backward.

For the same spark plug, the life and efficiency of domestic spark plugs are worse than those of Bosch spark plugs. On the one hand, our technology has not reached a certain height in forging high-strength materials, on the other hand, it is a breakthrough in core technology, how to arrange the gap between the positive and negative levels, and how to walk and work. Everyone knows how to break through the bottleneck and improve efficiency. Bosch is often one step ahead of China. The spark plug is only a component, but it can be enlarged to the whole vehicle. How to better control the quality, durability and failure rate of the same car, domestic cars still have some room for improvement.

Domestic cars have poor durability, and they are not as good as joint venture cars after three years. This joint venture car is also divided into three or six grades. If compared with Toyota Honda, a car company that pays attention to durability, it really can't be compared. After all, both fields are famous for their durability, and the quality performance of the whole vehicle is really excellent. But if we compare American and French cars, we are not that bad.

Compared with Chevrolet and Citroen, the quality of three-year-old domestic cars is not so fragile, because these car companies pay more attention to other car experiences, such as Citroen paying attention to chassis and Cruze paying attention to shape design, so they are not far behind domestic cars in durability and overall quality performance.

Summary: In fact, the quality performance of domestic cars is also very good. Great Wall, Chery, Qoros and other brands have performed well in quality control. In terms of three-year durability, these domestic cars can also compete with mainstream car companies. However, some shoddy brands have some shortcomings in reliability and stability.

The quality problems of domestic cars are mainly in the early stage. Everyone can feel and see that the early appearance is ugly, the color is changeable, and there are great cracks in the joints of the body. However, after several years of development, these problems have disappeared. It can be said that if we only do manufacturing, we are already at the forefront of the world. Due to the development of China automobile market, excellent parts manufacturers gather in China, which is also a market. Domestic parts manufacturers can also use advanced technology and precision machine tools to produce various parts. In the assembly plant, advanced manufacturing methods such as laser welding and robot assembly have been realized on domestic cars. It can be said that in A-class cars and junior S-class cars, the purchase and use are completely assured, and some models completely surpass imported joint venture cars. The price of imported A-class cars is still higher than that of domestic cars, not the quality, but the value-added effect of the brand. China's domestic cars mainly lack products above Grade C, and lack core technology. If only for quality, the products will be much more expensive than similar imported joint ventures. If you give up quality, it will be more difficult to compete with the joint venture car. However, if domestic cars want to make progress, they must work hard on cars above class C, so that they can be made in China like other industries.

I don't know if it's unreliable, but I can see domestic cars over 10 on the road every day.

The Ben Ben of Chang 'an, the old standard F3 of BYD, the old vision of Geely, the old 1.3-liter freedom ship, and even saw a Youlio a few days ago. There are H5 and H3 of the Great Wall, A5 15, A5 16 and A3 of Chery, and 09 Tiggo. Which car is no older than 10? Even my own Geely Emgrand has 1 10000 kilometers and is more than 9 years old. Why don't we believe in the reliability of domestic cars?

As far as we know, domestic cars, referring to family cars, have not developed for a long time and are far behind Japanese and Korean car companies. If South Korea's automobile industry is young, it has developed for more than 50 years, while domestic production has just started for more than 20 years.

And our bad impression of domestic cars has been mercilessly magnified.

Speaking of rust, some joint venture cars are even more thorough than domestic cars.

Speaking of engines, abnormal noise and increased engine oil do not seem to be the patents of domestic cars.

Speaking of broken shafts, the American department knelt down, the German department knelt down, and none of the Japanese and Korean departments ran away.

Chery, Geely and Great Wall are all young car companies, but car-making and family cars just started in the 1990s, and it takes only half the time for Korean car companies to develop today.

For a long time, domestic cars have always given people a bad impression of low quality and low price, and most of this impression comes from its early development. We can't look at these young enterprises with the idea that they can't stumble. At that time, which car company in Korea and Japan did not open the market at a low price? Isn't today's domestic car the same as yesterday's Korean and Japanese cars?

At that time, Japanese and Korean departments also opened the European and American markets with cheap prices, and any new car could not be perfect!

At the beginning of the development of Japanese and Korean automobiles, they borrowed technology from other countries, but after a long time, that imitation was forgotten. The first automobile engine was not born in Japan and Korea, let alone the first automobile, and the widely acclaimed rotary engine was not invented in Japan, which we should not forget.

In just over 20 years, the self-owned brand of domestic cars has developed into what it is now, which can prove that domestic cars are good. If you copy the engine from your homework, Geely's 1.8T engine is worse in power parameters, but at least it doesn't lose oil like its teacher. What about new energy vehicles now? In the face of foreign technical barriers and patent protection, our state-owned enterprises can find another way to overtake in corners and have already taken the lead in the field of new energy.

What have they taught us by taking foreign companies as teachers? We paid the tuition, and only by exchanging the market for technology can we get the opportunity to learn. He's not a living Lei Feng, so it's no good to help him for free?

In recent years, imported and joint venture models have been reducing prices. From the early price increase, it was impossible to pick up the car in a short time, and now the models that have not been on the market for a long time are all reducing prices. These foreign car companies must be for consumers, but to reduce the dimension and crack down on domestic cars. If domestic cars have been attracting consumers with high quality and low price, then imported joint venture cars are doing the same thing.

American cars have been discounted by 30%, German cars are being discounted by 20%, and a certain brand of Japanese cars has even been discounted by 60%. This is not only to expand sales, but to kill domestic cars in the cradle.

Some people may say that it is the conscience of joint venture car companies, but what I want to say is that joint venture car companies have begun to shift their sales focus to after-sales. If you accidentally rub your car, the maintenance cost will be two or three times that of a domestic car.

If everyone is an old driver and there will be no maintenance, then normal replacement of the original factory can always explain the problem, right?

The steering gear assembly price of Volkswagen sagitar is generally 2300 yuan, while the price of Honda Feng Fan, which is widely praised by everyone, is around 2000 yuan for the old model, that is, the price of the new model has reached 1000 yuan, while the price of Geely Emgrand, which we often say, is only 550 yuan.

What reason do we have to buy A0 mini-cars with the money from domestic compact cars? Is it just feeling rather than calcium deficiency?

It depends on what you mean by "solid". Not leaving you on the road? Still not a small problem.

If you mean not to throw you on the road, then domestic cars can meet all your requirements now. Judging from the data of Chezhi. com, the overall quality of most independent brands is basically the same as that of joint venture brands. The reliability of the three pieces has even slightly surpassed that of the joint venture brand. In other words, you are at this stage. Buy a domestic car. Compared with pure imported brands and joint venture brands. There is almost no difference in product stability.

From the point of view of minor faults, domestic brands will have more minor faults. For example, the body is not normal. Some of the assembly is rough. It's all harmless little problems. It may be annoying, but to be honest. All these problems can be solved with modern automobile tools.

From an economic point of view. The maintenance cost of domestic brands is very low. Accessories are cheap. Convenient maintenance. Plus the overall price is much lower than that of joint ventures or imported brands.

If you are going to spend money on joint ventures or imported cars, you will find that you are buying some high-end products of domestic brands. The product strength of these products is already quite high, and all kinds of accessories and technology configurations used at the same level are higher than those of joint ventures or imports.

My unit has about 40 cars, some suitable, some imported and some made in China. But basically, these cars will not have much problem driving 400 thousand kilometers. Therefore, from the economic point of view, domestic cars are completely fine. You have to save face. It's up to you to buy a joint venture or an imported brand.

Not necessarily. I have been driving the Great Wall Ito c30 for eight years, 80,000 kilometers, but I have changed a battery and four tires, and nothing else is wrong. But the joint venture car in our village has many problems. Whether this is man-made or car quality problems, in fact, many people follow suit. Our country has made rapid progress in recent years, and the automobile manufacturing industry has also taken on a new look. This is obvious. Throughout the world, the automobile manufacturing industry in that country has come step by step, and so has our country. In fact, domestic cars are quite solid, don't you think?

Whether domestic production is good or not, whoever uses it knows. There are two ways to buy domestic products: one is that there is not enough money, and the other is that the configuration is high and the value is high. In fact, some joint venture cars are cheap, and you can buy them around 70,000 to 80,000. Compared with domestic cars, the configuration is really a bit beggar. Basically, it is the people who buy these cars, the water army hired by car sales and joint venture cars, and the joint venture owners who buy about100000. Spending100000 or more is not much different from domestic spending100000 or so, and some are even worse than domestic spending. The quality problem of domestic cars is mainly that the technology is not precise enough. After several years of driving, there is noise everywhere, but the assembly is loose and not rigorous enough. There must be nothing wrong with the engine gearbox. My personal feeling about cars is that all four doors are ringing. My friend's joint venture car and imported car are all high-end, and it seems that these problems do not exist. Domestic cars with tens of thousands of dollars should really not be too demanding.

In the past, it may be that domestic cars didn't last as long as joint venture cars, but cars have a service life. Within the service life stipulated by the state, there is no problem whether it is domestic investment or joint venture. Now, after years of development, the gap between domestic car companies and joint venture cars is getting smaller and smaller. A few years later, it is not uncommon for them to keep pace with or even surpass the joint venture car. China's rocket is later than foreign countries, but its launch success rate ranks first in the world. In such a good environment in China, China car companies will strive to improve their manufacturing technology and strive for perfection, and will certainly build domestic cars that are the envy of joint venture cars!

At present, the level of many domestic independent brands has indeed been greatly improved, but the quality stability of the whole vehicle, including engine technology and mainstream joint venture brands, still has a certain gap. The durability of a car doesn't mean that its frame can last for a long time. As long as a car with poor quality doesn't collide, it won't be a problem to drive for ten or eight years. Whether the quality is stable refers to the probability and frequency of failure after driving for a period of time, which is a problem that more people care about. Many foreign brands have built cars for decades or even hundreds of years, while we only have ten or twenty years. First of all, we don't have this background! Secondly, the concept of building a car is different from others, and the technical level can be improved rapidly in a short time, but inheriting this thing can not be surpassed in a short time, which takes time to accumulate! The main budget for car purchase in China is basically between 800,000 and 200,000 yuan. If it exceeds/kloc-0,000 yuan, 80% will give more consideration to joint venture brands. To put it bluntly, the owners who choose their own brands are mainly short of funds, but they want to buy a car with rich configuration and beautiful appearance. Only by choosing independently can they meet the requirements, but their hearts may not be so practical. It is a matter of recent years that independent brands let people see obvious progress and promotion. As for the durability of the car, it will take several years to see! If independent brands want to be accepted and recognized by more people, they must continue to put quality control in the first place according to the current development speed. The research and development of core components must be independent, and they must have their own engine technology, gearbox technology, chassis tuning technology and mature vehicle design and assembly technology before they can compete with foreign brands and gain more shares from joint venture brands. At the very least, the time is not yet ripe. At the current development speed of independent brands, if you want to get more people.