Why are there contradictions between Beijing Guoan team and Tianjin TEDA team?

"As I said before, Tianjin fans will scold me. On the other hand, Beijing fans will scold me. I think wang wen also is under the same pressure as me. " Wang Jinzhou, president of Tianjin Fans Association, seems to have some scruples about the contradiction between fans in Beijing and Tianjin. Because there was an article "Tianjin fans are good to Beijing fans" on the homepage of a website before, Wang Jinzhou was scolded by Tianjin fans and didn't get any good feedback from Beijing fans. Fans in both places regard the Internet as the second stop. Although all parties try their best to guide fans from the front, hoping to ease contradictions, it seems that the mutual abuse and attacks on the Internet have not eased, but have gradually escalated. At present, the contradiction between fans in Beijing and Tianjin has become a dangerous powder keg, which may detonate unpredictable consequences at any time.

The relationship between fans in Beijing and Tianjin has always been very good. Wang Jinzhou said: "Wang Wen prepared two tickets for the match between Inter Milan and Lazio a few days ago. I really don't have time to go because TEDA has a home game this weekend. " But the fans of the two places did not show such friendliness in the stands.

Wang Jinzhou recalled: "In the 1990s, League A was even more popular than it is now. We went to Beijing and played' Pay tribute to Beijing fans'; Beijing fans went to Tianjin and posted slogans such as' Hello Tianjin fans'. At that time, the opposition at the scene was not as strong as it is now, and the attention was mainly on the court. Now it has little to do with the competition, but directly with the competition in the stands. In the past, the relationship between fans in Beijing and Tianjin was triangular, but now it is fan to fan. In the past, when a team lost, it let off steam. 1995 Beijing Fan bus was smashed in Tianjin, and Tianjin bus was smashed in Beijing in 2000. There were not many media reports at that time. The speculation at that time was not as good as it is now, and as a result, the grievances of fans in the two places deepened. I think the most direct reason is the internet, which directly attacks each other online, not just twice a year, but every day online. In the last round, Tao Wei had a stampede. As soon as this news came out, the two sides began to confront each other. "

Wang Wen, president of Beijing Fans Association, said: "10 years ago, five years ago, the network was not so developed and no one organized it. Now organize a small forum to fight online, without any restrictions. Therefore, this problem occurred this year when Guoan played against Tianjin at home. Before the game, the online fans in the two places were already at war. There were indeed fans in Beijing who told Tianjin fans on the Internet that they had come and gone. Tianjin fans said that they had come to play the green turtle, and the online fire had already ignited, which led to so many things in this game. "

How did the grievances of Beijing and Tianjin fans form? Why has it become more and more serious in recent years? Wang Wen recalled: "I should be the most direct witness, which dates back to the' ‘A A' era. From 1994, the fans watched the game in different places until now. Every year Guoan plays Tianjin at home, and Tianjin fans will come to watch the game. There will also be Beijing fans at home in Tianjin. Professional league for so many years, Beijing and Tianjin have almost always been in the same level of league, and there are more opportunities to meet; In addition, the communication between fans should be the most, although not necessarily the best, but the opportunities for communication are the most. In my impression, from 1994 to 20 09, every year Guoan played against Tianjin and Tianjin played against Guoan, there were visiting fans. First of all, Beijing and Tianjin are relatively close, and football in the other two places has many origins. Including before the professional league, when it was a championship system, the competition between Beijing and Tianjin was fierce and lasted for so many years. Moreover, there are also these problems among fans. As long as Guoan plays Tianjin at home and Tianjin plays Guoan at home, it is one of the games with the highest attendance rate in the league. It's not necessarily a contest between the two teams, but it's fun. Tianjin is the same. Starting from 1995, we organized Beijing fans to watch football in Tianjin for the first time on a large scale. It has been organized several times in more than ten years, and at least three or five hundred people have organized it, and the scale is no less than seven or eight times. What impressed me deeply was that at 1995, we organized more than 2,000 fans to drive the No.40 bus to Tianjin. In that game, Guoan beat Tianjin 4-/kloc-0-0 away, and the confrontation between fans in the stands was fierce, which led to the official confrontation between Beijing and Tianjin fans. At that time, our bus and the bus of Guoan team couldn't leave the stadium, which lasted for three hours. As a result, the local armed police and police were mobilized to rescue him and were attacked along the way. There are many narrow alleys in Tianjin Road. Fans throw bricks from the alleys, injuring many people and damaging many cars. In the second year, Guoan moved from the Xiannongtan to the Workers' Stadium, and the plot of Shi Lianzhi flying to the top appeared, and the quarrel between the fans of the two places continued or deepened. "

Wang Jinzhou said: "When attacking fans in Beijing, fans in many places never shout' Beijing Silly ×', they always shout' Guoan Silly×', but when attacking fans in other places, Beijing fans always use the names of local cities. Our fan culture is different from that of foreign countries. Their attention is still on the scene, and we rise to the city here. In the first two rounds, I told Tianjin fans not to scold Beijing. They scold Tianjin because the word' Tianjin' means nothing to them, but we are all related to Beijing, because you go abroad and people know that your capital is in Beijing. But now the provocation of Beijing fans has gone too far. They never shout TEDA, but always scold Tianjin. "

Wang Wen said: "Fans who watch football in different places must be prepared to be scolded and suffer indignities. After all, it's not your home or your hometown. Going to other people's places is somewhat timid. Judging from the overall trend of football development in recent years, including the fact that fans have come step by step for so many years, the situation in some stadiums is not very normal. It can't be said that it reflects the regional culture and the cultural confrontation between the fans in the two places. Some spectators are too hostile to the visiting fans. In addition, in terms of expression, it is becoming more and more barbaric and irrational, including Beijing fans. "

Irrational fanaticism

Beijing is one of the cities that organized off-site football matches earlier. Since 1995, the Beijing Fans Association has almost used land, sea and air transportation to watch football in different places. At that time, most cities with A and A went. Beijing fans are also one of the fan groups with the worst reputation so far. Wang Wen said: "I feel it is more dangerous to go to other places to watch the game, which is also related to the character of the local people." The men who went to Dalian, Shenyang, Changchun and Northeast China were rough, had some problems and had a little friction. Beijing fans also have our weaknesses, such as cheap mouth, straight heart, more beautifully dressed and more pungent. Now the fan culture has been integrated into something that is not a stadium, making the environment of the football field more and more complicated. "

Beijingers have a natural sense of superiority. This is the impression of many foreigners on Beijingers, which is reflected in the stadium, that is, Beijing fans insult the whole rival city with the curse of Beijing. On the other hand, in League A, Bayi Football Team can't introduce foreign aid due to institutional reasons, so it will suffer some losses in strength, and they will also be taken care of accordingly, such as not being relegated. Later, Bayi team faded out of the professional league, and fans in many places regarded Guoan team as Bayi team. This team has been taken care of on and off the court, which has deepened the hostility between foreign fans and Beijing fans. Among all the objections, the conflict between Beijing and Tianjin fans is particularly fierce. Now, no matter whether Guoan team plays against any team at home, fans will hang some banners or shout slogans insulting Tianjin, and Tianjin fans will fight back in the same way at home.

Wang Wen believes that since the professionalization, the biggest change in the composition of fans is younger, and irrational fanaticism is becoming more and more obvious. "More and more young people watch the game, regardless of men, women and children. If the atmosphere of the stadium is suitable, there is the possibility of swearing. It is hard to say what it is. We used to have a forum to discuss what Beijing scolded. For example, the couple took their children to watch the game. At first, there were many, but later there were fewer and fewer. The reason is that parents took their children to watch the game, and the scene was full of foul language, which made parents feel embarrassed. Therefore, in recent years, parents have taken their children to watch games less and less, which is a forced phenomenon. But now more people are involved, and as long as the environment is right, more people are involved in Beijing's scolding, which is a considerable change. It is better to start swearing at the Xiannongtan when you get to work. "

Wang Jinzhou has been to many places and talked about the abuse on the court. He said: "Tianjin is not a place that all visiting fans don't accept. When the visiting fans cheer, they are booed at most. The reason why Beijing is in conflict with other places may be that no matter how many people go to Beijing to watch the ball, they will always greet you with those two words. In Tianjin, unless the visiting team is in the lead, if there is anything out of line on the field, the visiting team fans will stimulate the home team fans and the home team fans will attack the visiting team. Beijing is different. Began to swear as soon as I entered the meeting. In recent years, there have been many quarrels between Tianjin and Dalian, and Dalian fans have not scolded them. It is normal for individuals to point fingers and scold, but there is no shouting in the audience. Both in Shandong and Qingdao. Last year, a child in Changchun was beaten in Tianjin, so some people in Changchun were beaten, but it was not all the audience who scolded Tianjin, except Beijing. It doesn't matter if there are fewer people. If there are more than 100 people, no matter where they come from, they will start swearing before the kick-off. This is really not the case in other places. Tianjin fans owe enough, and there is no such thing elsewhere. "

The criticism and discussion of swearing in Beijing, which is quite embarrassing for Beijingers, has never stopped, especially before the Olympic Games. However, this problem has not been solved, but has become more prominent with the conflicts between regions. Just like in the workers' movement, there are positive slogans such as "Look at the game in a civilized way, winning or losing is reasonable", and there are also slogans full of violence and provocation such as "defend to the death" or "fight with Ya" and "whoever destroys". In other words, is there something wrong with the so-called positive guidance that we used to use? Language violence on the court is worth studying by sociologists and psychologists. Is there a more appropriate or effective way to guide fans to watch the game instead of preaching? At the same time, as a public gathering place, the stadium will definitely bring in the content outside the stadium. What the audience expressed was far more than cheering for the home team or insulting opponents. It contains more emotions.

Wang Jinzhou also wants to learn from some foreign fans' experience of cheering on the spot, such as learning from the Korean "Red Devils", but he finds that it seems not suitable for China. He said: "I also communicate with club officials and players." Take Japan and South Korea, for example, they have been singing nonstop at the scene, but domestic players feel that this is not a good combination of the game process. At present, Zhejiang's' Green Soul' is quite famous. Its model is to imitate the' Red Devil'. They mainly let the' green soul' set off the atmosphere of the stadium, thus adding luster to the club, but it didn't help much for the 90-minute process. We are also discussing why it doesn't help. Radical fans only learn the expressive force of Japanese and Korean fan culture. Japanese and Korean fans have a good relationship with clubs and players in private. The fans are truly integrated with the club. As long as they are members of the club, they have the opportunity to invite any player of the club to take a photo with you once a year. If a fan asks a player to take a photo with his dog, the player will take a photo with his dog, and naturally. In China, this is impossible, and clubs, players and fans have not achieved this real blend. "

Competition for status

In the Super League, besides the endless competition between Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai and Zhejiang, the competition between Qingdao and Jinan is more obvious. In East China, Shanghai is definitely the leader in economy and influence, but Zhejiang Province has developed rapidly in recent years and has certain economic strength to compete with Shanghai. Shanghai's traditional sense of superiority is to look down on its neighbors, and the competition between fans in the two places is becoming increasingly obvious. Compared with Jinan, Qingdao, as a seaside tourist city, is more famous than the provincial capital Jinan in some aspects. However, Jinan is above Qingdao in terms of administrative level. Qingdao's economy has developed rapidly in recent years, and its consumption level is also improving, and it is increasingly dissatisfied with its big brother. The same is true in Tianjin, where the economy has developed rapidly in recent years. The change of living standard directly affects the change of people's mentality in Beijing and Tianjin. Bringing it to the court means bringing in a feeling that no one will obey anyone. In the eyes of fans, this is a status contest.

Wang Jinzhou told a story: "After the match between Tianjin and Qingdao, the fans of the two places organized a dinner together, and everyone drank a lot of wine. Finally, they sang together and set off fireworks. They sang in a circle and began to shout slogans. They shouted and shouted, shouting all the favorite slogans of the two places. Qingdao scolds Shandong Luneng and Tianjin scolds Beijing Guoan. There happened to be two Shandong fans eating at the food stall that day. When they scolded Luneng, the two fans quit and finally got into a fight. It can be seen from these details that the relationship between Tianjin and Qingdao can be so good because there are no conflicts between the two cities in many aspects. "

Generally speaking, the conflict between fans is part of the stadium culture. China's football level is relatively low, and the audience is easily distracted, so they can only create more content in the stands, and the stand culture is becoming more and more prosperous. The low level of football must correspond to the low level of stand culture, and more people who watch the ball on the spot look outside the stadium. Take the competition between Beijing and Tianjin as an example. Most people enjoy it and enjoy this low-level fun-especially when it is based on defending some kind of honor, it becomes even crazier. In terms of bickering, Tianjin people can make up a lot of jingles, while Beijingers seem to have poor language expression except two Beijing curses.

Wang Jinzhou said: "By 200 1, the professional league began to decline. Tianjin and Beijing were not so serious a few years ago. The ball market in Beijing is not good, and so is Tianjin. Guoan played in Fengtai Stadium last year. How big is the whole stadium? More than 800 people went to Tianjin, and even fewer fans went to Beijing. Tianjin fans are more collective and unified, Beijing fans are more dispersed, and the slogan cannot be unified, so they suffer. On June 13 this year, I think many people didn't come for the ball, some for revenge, and some for fun, so the on-site interference didn't stop. That game really shocked me. More than fifty thousand people cursed the street together. 654381October 5, many Beijing fans may come to Tianjin. "

Re-recognize the stadium

Wang Wen said: "China Football Association has strict regulations that stands must be reserved for visiting teams at home. The stands on both sides of the stadium are equal to three stands. No matter whether dozens or hundreds of people sit, the other two stands should be used as vacuum stands. This is a rule that only existed a few years ago. For example, 1995 has no restrictions on going to Tianjin to watch football. Fans on both sides are next to each other, watching and playing. At present, the security measures in Beijing competition area should be strict, and mineral water bottles can't be brought in, but you can't help asking him to bring his mobile phone. The visiting fans were injured this time because although the mobile phone battery can be thrown through the vacuum bracket, some fans still took it down and threw it over. The competition between Beijing and Tianjin fans is, to some extent, culture. Let's go to the visiting team to watch the ball. Tianjin fans released green turtles, Guoan team green is the traditional color, toy green turtles are everywhere, and some are still on fire. Let's make big buns for fans in Tianjin and Beijing at home, some are real buns, and some are wrapped in white cloth, which is equivalent to throwing buns at dogs. It is also a way of humiliation. 2009 and 1995 are far from the so-called social atmosphere and people's quality mentality. Some people went to the scene and thought I didn't swear. Why did I come? I am just venting. " "In the 1990s, I felt that stadium behavior was basically something within the scope of sports. It's really not about sports now. When I went to Beijing this time, I saw that many people didn't watch the ball very much and had been fighting against Beijing fans. It turns out that when the professional league is the most intense, it has never been like this. " Wang Jinzhou said.

"Every year, many fans regard Guoan's home and away games against Tianjin as one thing. In recent years, Guoan's home game against Tianjin is one of the most attended games. One is that the game itself looks good. Neither Guoan nor Tianjin is much worse than anyone else. Some fans also know that there is a national security competition in Tianjin. In fact, this is a stadium culture at best, but there are always some problems in the stadium, including vicious language attacks during the game. After the fans leave, the security guards must escort these people to the car safely, escort the workers out of the stadium, and even escort the police car to the Fourth Ring Road. One year, a fan drove to a highway intersection after a break, and a big brick was thrown as soon as the car came. This is a special case, but it also reflects the intensity of the conflict between fans in the two places. After Guoan played Tianjin at home this year, the two sides held a forum in Tianjin, including the football associations, clubs, public security and fan associations of the two places. The symposium was very good, including Tianjin media. The live effect and media promotion effect are good, but online fans are still like this. " Wang Wen said.

After the symposium, there was a reaction. At the game site, Tianjin fans played a banner of "accepting apologies, rejecting friendship and opposing the family members of Beijing and Tianjin fans" and walked around for a week. Wang Jinzhou said: "The penalty decision of the Football Association is definitely the root cause of the current upgrade. This year, Tianjin Division was warned twice, and Beijing Division won only one informed criticism. In June 13, the chaos at the scene far exceeded that of Tan. In fact, the fans have no objection to the Football Association's punishment of Tan, which is worthy of the affirmation of Tianjin fans. They still know the ball, and the most deadly thing is the punishment in the competition area. Our car was smashed, people were beaten, and laser rods were everywhere at the scene, which was only given to informed criticism once. Workers' sports is the home of Guoan. With so many things happening, the club should at least say' I'm sorry for the Tianjin fans who came from afar'. The club didn't say anything, nor did the fans say anything about being beaten. Wang Wen was scolded after he came back from the forum, because he apologized first, and so did the Beijing Football Association. But Tianjin fans have a lot of brains. He is aimed at the Guoan club and the public security. It happened at your house, the club wanted to talk, and the police wanted to tell everyone how these people finally handled it and what happened. Including our trip to Dalian to watch the football match, we booked a car. The day before we left, the travel agency couldn't get a car. Because the problem of smashed buses in Beijing has not been solved, even people from travel agencies are waiting for 65438+1October 5:' We didn't watch the game, just waiting to smash a few buses and let them go back and solve it themselves. The unfair punishment result is the real reason for the escalation of contradictions. The China Football Association failed to handle this matter properly, resulting in the present situation. "

Some contradictions caused by watching football in different places have become very serious social problems. There will be some fan conflicts in each round of the Super League. Even if Glasgow Rangers and Celtic have a game, there will be no frequent conflicts, because these two teams are not only competitions, but also historical and religious conflicts. However, there will be conflicts in each round of the Super League, which is a management issue. For example, in Shandong and Qingdao, they deliberately hung photos of home team players in the stands of away fans, which is a provocation in itself. Sometimes, the home team may be out of consideration to avoid the visiting team hanging some excessive slogans, but this is often counterproductive. Relatively moderate fans of Zhejiang Greentown Club clashed with Qingdao staff because of hanging slogans, which led to the situation that the two sides broke down and smashed each other.

Due to the problems caused by watching the game in different places, the relevant departments are now trying their best to limit the number of people watching the game in different places, and even it is said that they will suspend watching the game in different places before the National Day. Wang Jinzhou said: "If you restrict watching the game in different places, you must have something specific, otherwise you will not be able to convince the fans. Fans have personal freedom. They want to watch the game. What shall we do? After you go, problems are more likely to occur, so as organizers, we are in trouble, dealing with the Football Association and the public security every day. They just said there were no rules. For example, in June this year 13, we prepared more than 200 people to go to Beijing, and finally went to 1000 people, because you couldn't limit it. At that time, I told the club that if this 1000 people don't come with us, but drive around, the risk is higher, and you can't control it at all. /kloc-if more than 0/000 people go by car, the Beijing Public Security Bureau will block you to Beijing, and all the fans have passed. If they are all buses, they will be taken away from the public security area. It is better to control and manage them in an organized way. We also went to Dalian. Let's leave early. These people went to Dalian 1000, and only watched it for more than ten minutes in the second half. If there is no organization, they will definitely not be able to do it. "

The Football Association pays attention to the attendance rate every year, which determines the degree of attention and commercial interests of China football. The attendance rate is low and relatively safe, but the Football Association has no face; As long as the attendance rate is high, there will be violence on the stadium. Because the Football Association has to pay the public security fee to the public security department every year and push the responsibility to the public security department, there is a great pressure on public security now. However, many problems cannot be solved by public security departments by numbers and coercive means. Now the Football Association doesn't emphasize attendance, because the Football Association can't control the chaos on the stadium, and the stadium faced by the public security department is much more complicated than in the past. This requires these departments to re-understand the stadium and solve the diversion in a more reasonable way.

In the eyes of the audience, security is still a service behavior, but in the arena, a slight lack of this sense of service may stimulate the audience's emotions. Wang Jinzhou said: "To win the AFC Champions League, Tianjin and South Korea's Posco are in the same group. There are only 80 policemen in the whole stadium of Posco Steel, but there are 8,000 policemen at TEDA home in Tianjin, which is terrible. We went to Korea in the 2002 World Cup, and the police have a good relationship with the fans. The police even cleaned your seat to let you know that it is not dirty. In China, not to mention the police, but also the service personnel. It seems that you are not a fan, didn't buy a ticket, and your attitude is extremely blunt, which led to the resistance of the fans before the start of the game, so you cursed the streets during the game. Anyway, you couldn't catch me, and even took the opportunity to scold the police together. In fact, the China Football Association has never discussed how foreign fans are organized when discussing experience for so many years, and there is no such department. We have also suggested that the Football Association is still at the stage of not seeing the coffin and not shedding tears. Watching games in different places and regulating home fans should be guided. I don't think fans in foreign leagues will be as far apart as we are. AC Milan and Inter Milan are sworn enemies, but they have not reached the point of military solution. Nowadays, fans are already a part of football. In the past, the Football Association only had to play football. Now fans should be included in the category of works. They have not used their brains for so many years and accumulated over time, resulting in this result today. The fans themselves are part of the league. They don't realize that they may not have figured it out yet. "

It is often a kind of excitement accompanied by danger. Although watching the game in a different place is like a trip to hell, it can make people experience a kind of fun that they can't usually feel, which also requires the fans watching the game in a different place to have a strong psychological quality. "It's so exciting." Wang Jinzhou said, "When we go to Dalian to watch the game, we should avoid the sight of Dalian fans and enter the stadium quickly." Besides, I can't disclose the itinerary. Last time I went to Changchun, because the itinerary was leaked in advance, I contacted the local police when I left the station and temporarily changed the exit, otherwise there might be conflicts. I went to Dalian and exchanged gifts with local fans before the game. At the beginning of the game, they attacked each other and were forced to leave early. It is right to leave early now, because Dalian fans are still crazier than Beijing fans, and Beijing has a stronger police force. There are only a few policemen in Dalian At that time, I thought the situation was terrible and stopped Dalian fans with a door. After I agreed to evacuate, I found that the Tianjin bus had been blocked by five or six cars and could not be driven. "

Now the fans regard the thrilling trip to watch the game in different places as part of it. People will be unhappy if the bus is stuck on the expressway for a few minutes, but they will not complain if they are stuck in the stadium for a few hours. Wang Jinzhou said: "As an ordinary fan, I don't think much, but for me as an organizer, watching the game away from home is simply a kind of destruction. However, fans feel very happy and exciting, and every link is very exciting. "

Now people are paying attention to the game between Guoan and TEDA on June 5, 10. Wang Wen joked that 5000 people must pass. The person in charge of the Beijing Public Security Bureau also joked at the forum between the two places: "I wish Tianjin Public Security 65438+10.5 good luck." Everyone was happy after that. If the fans in the two places really upgrade the future competition into a kind of fun instead of a conflict, then it is really necessary to bring the characteristic culture of Beijing and Tianjin to the football field.

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