Where was the basketball fight that happened not long ago? That one scene where even the fans cheered each other?

Beijing Guoan and Tianjin TEDA

In recent years, media hype, such as flying to the top, Lu Xin's tackle Qiu Zhonghui, are just grudges on the court, but the media is interested It is meaningless to lead both sides into a battle between cities.

"I say this from the positive side, Tianjin fans will scold me. From the negative side, Beijing fans will scold me. I think Wang Wen is also facing the same pressure as me." Tianjin Fans Association will Chang Wang Jinzhou seemed a little hesitant to talk about the conflicts between fans in Beijing and Tianjin. Because there was an article on the homepage of a website before, "Tianjin fans show favor to Beijing fans". As a result, Wang Jinzhou was scolded by Tianjin fans and did not receive any good feedback from Beijing fans. Fans from both places regard the Internet as the second grandstand. Although all parties try to guide fans in a positive way and hope to alleviate conflicts, the mutual abuse and attacks online do not seem to have eased, but have gradually escalated. At present, the conflict between fans in Beijing and Tianjin has become a dangerous powder keg that may ignite at any time with unpredictable consequences.

The relationship between the fan organizations in Beijing and Tianjin has always been very good. Wang Jinzhou said: "A few days ago, Wang Wen prepared two tickets for me for the match between Inter Milan and Lazio. I really didn't have time to go because it was the weekend. TEDA has a home game." But the fans in the two places did not show such kindness in the stands.

Wang Jinzhou recalled: "In the 1990s, League A was even more popular than it is now. We went to Beijing and played 'Salute to Beijing fans'; Beijing fans went to Tianjin and played 'Hello, Tianjin fans' slogan. At that time, the opposition on the scene was not as strong as it is now, and the focus was mainly on the stadium. Now it has little to do with the game, and it is directly a triangle between Beijing and Tianjin fans. Now it is a fan-versus-fan relationship. . In the past, when a team lost, they vented their emotions. In 1995, the Beijing fan bus was smashed in Tianjin, and in 2000, the Tianjin bus was also smashed in Beijing. At that time, the media did not report as much as it does now. However, the result has deepened the grievances between the fans in the two places. I think the most direct reason is the Internet. The direct confrontation on the Internet, not only in the two collisions a year, but in the last round of Tao Wei. There was a stamping action, and as soon as the news was reported, the two sides started to quarrel." Wang Wen, president of the Beijing Football Fans Association, said: "The Internet was not so developed 10 years ago or 5 years ago, and no one was there. The organization now organizes a small forum to start the war online, and there are no restrictions, so this problem occurred before Guoan's home game against Tianjin this year. The online fans of the two places were already in a state of war, and there were indeed some fans in Beijing who were fighting with Tianjin fans online. They said, "There is no return after coming," and Tianjin fans said, "We are here to fight the green turtles." The Internet has ignited the fire, causing so many things to happen in this game."

Beijing and Tianjin. How did the fans' grievances form? Why has it become more and more intense in recent years? Wang Wen recalled: "I should be the most direct witness. This should be traced back to the 'A' era. From 1994, fans began to watch games in different places until now. Every year, Guoan's home game against Tianjin Tianjin fans will come to watch the games, and Beijing fans will also go to Tianjin home games. For so many years in the professional league, Beijing and Tianjin have been in the same league, so there are more opportunities for them to meet; in addition, the communication between fans should be The most, although not necessarily the best, have the most opportunities for communication. In my impression, from 1994 to 2009, every year when Guoan played at home against Tianjin and Tianjin played against Guoan at home, fans from the away team came to the scene. First of all, Beijing and Tianjin are relatively close. There are many connections between football in the two places, including before the professional league. At that time, there was a competition between Beijing and Tianjin, which has continued for so many years. Moreover, there are also these problems between fans. The games between Guoan and Tianjin at home, and the games between Tianjin and Guoan at home, are one of the games with the highest attendance in the league this year. This is not necessarily a competition between the two teams, but it is the same for Tianjin. Since our first large-scale organization of Beijing fans to watch football in Tianjin in 1995, we have organized it several times over the past ten years, with at least three to five hundred people organized and large-scale, and probably no less than seven or eight times.

What impressed me deeply was that in 1995, we organized more than 2,000 fans to drive 40 buses to Tianjin. In that game, Guoan won Tianjin 4-1 away from home. The confrontation between the fans in the stands was also fierce, resulting in That year the feud between the fans in Beijing and Tianjin was officially formed. At that time, our bus and the bus of the Guoan team members were unable to get out of the venue, and they were held there for three hours. As a result, the local armed police and police were mobilized to rescue them. They also suffered some attacks along the way. There were many narrow alleys on Tianjin Road, and some fans came from the alleys. Those who threw bricks inside injured many people and damaged many cars. The next year, Guoan's home stadium was moved from Xiannongtan to Workers' Stadium, and Shi Lianzhi kicked Gao Feng. The conflict between the fans in the two places continued or deepened. "

Wang Jinzhou said: "When fans in many places attack Beijing fans, they never shout 'Beijing silly ×', they always shout 'Guoan silly ×', but Beijing fans are attacking fans in other places. When doing so, local city names were used. Our fan culture is different from that of foreign countries. Their attention is still on the scene, but here it is raised to the city. In the first two rounds, I told Tianjin fans that we should not scold Beijing. They scolded Tianjin because the word "Tianjin" does not mean anything to them, but we have a relationship with Beijing because when you go abroad, people know that your capital is there. Beijing. But now the Beijing fans are too provocative. They never call TEDA, but they always scold Tianjin. "

Wang Wen said: "Fans who are watching the game from a different place must be mentally prepared to be scolded and angry. After all, it is not your home court or your hometown. When you go to other people's places, you have to be a little timid. Son. Judging from the overall trend of football development over the years, including the progress of fans over the years, the situation in some stadiums is not normal. It cannot be said that it reflects the regional culture and the cultural confrontation between the fans in the two places. Some spectators treat the away fans with an overly hostile attitude. In addition, the way of expression is becoming more and more barbaric and irrational, including the Beijing fans. ”

Irrational fanaticism

Beijing was one of the first cities to organize off-site football viewings. Since 1995, the Beijing Fans Association has almost used sea, land and air transportation to go to other places to watch football games. , I went to most cities with League A at that time. Beijing fans are also one of the fan groups with the worst reputation to this day. Wang Wen said: "I feel that it is more dangerous to go to other places to watch games, and it also has something to do with the character of the locals. , when I went to Dalian, Shenyang, and Changchun, the men in the Northeast were relatively rough, and there were some problems and some minor frictions. Beijing fans also have our weaknesses, they are more mean-mouthed, more attentive, more public and trouble-making. Nowadays, the fan culture has been integrated into some things that are not the stadium, making the environment of the football stadium more and more complex. ”

Beijing people have an innate sense of superiority. This is the impression that many outsiders have on Beijing people. It is reflected on the court when Beijing fans insult the entire opponent city with Beijing curses. On the other hand, In the A-League, the Bayi Football Team could not introduce foreign players due to institutional reasons, so they would suffer some losses in terms of strength. Accordingly, they would receive some care, such as being unable to be relegated. Later, the Bayi Team faded out of the professional league. Local fans regard the Guoan team as the Bayi team. This team has always been somewhat cared for on and off the court. This has deepened the hostility between foreign fans and Beijing fans. In all the confrontations, Beijing and Tianjin fans. The conflict is particularly fierce. Now, no matter when the Guoan team plays against any team at home, fans will hang up banners or shout slogans that insult Tianjin, and Tianjin fans will respond in the same way to Beijing fans at home.

Wang Wen believes that since professionalization, the biggest change in the composition of fans is that they have become younger, and irrational fanaticism has become more and more obvious. “More and more young people are watching games, regardless of gender, and if the atmosphere in the stadium is suitable. , there is a possibility of filthy words being spoken, and it’s hard to say what this phenomenon is. In the past, we had a symposium to discuss what was going on in Beijing. For example, couples took their children to watch games. In the early days, there were many, but later they became less and less. The reason was that the parents took their children to watch the games, and the scenes were filled with dirty words, which made the parents feel very humiliated. Therefore, in recent years, fewer and fewer parents have taken their children to watch games. This is a phenomenon that is forced. But now more people are participating. As long as the environment is suitable, more people are participating in Beijing scolding. This is a big change. It was a little better at Xiannongtan, but as soon as we got to Workers' Stadium, they started to curse.

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Wang Jinzhou has been to many places. Talking about the abuse on the court, he said: "Tianjin is not a place where all visiting team fans do not accept it. When the visiting team fans cheer, they will boo at most. The reason why Beijing has a bad relationship with other places may be that no matter how many people go to Beijing to watch football, they will always use those two words to greet you. Unless the away team in Tianjin is ahead, if there is anything excessive on the court, or if the away team fans use anything to irritate the home team fans, then the home team fans will attack the away team. It's different in Beijing. They start scolding as soon as they enter the venue. Tianjin has had quite a quarrel with Dalian in the past few years, and Dalian fans didn't even come up and curse. It was normal for some people to point and curse, but there was no shouting from the whole audience. Shandong and Qingdao are the same. Last year, a child in Changchun was beaten in Tianjin, so Changchun was somewhat attacked, but not everyone criticized Tianjin. The only exception was Beijing. It’s better if there are less people. If there are more than a hundred people, no matter where they come from, they will start cursing before the kick-off. This is really not the case in other places. Tianjin fans are enough to owe them, and they will not be able to go to other places. Nothing like this. ”

The media has never stopped criticizing and discussing the issue of scolding in Beijing, which is quite embarrassing for Beijingers, especially before the Olympic Games. However, instead of solving this problem, it has become more and more serious with the conflict between regions. It has become more prominent. This is just like in the Workers' Stadium, there are positive slogans such as "Observe the game in a civilized manner, be sensible about winning and losing", and there are also violent and provocative slogans such as "Defend to the death" or "Fight to death" and "Who will destroy who?" slogan. In other words, is there something wrong with the so-called positive guidance method we have been using in the past? Verbal violence in the stadium is worthy of study by sociologists and psychologists. Is there something more appropriate for today's audience's mentality? What is a more effective way to guide fans to watch the game instead of just preaching? At the same time, as a public gathering place, the stadium will definitely bring in content outside the stadium. What the audience expresses is far more than just cheering for the home team or expressing their feelings. The insult to the opponent contains more emotions.

Wang Jinzhou also thought about learning from the experience of some foreign fans in cheering on the spot, such as learning from the "Red Devils" of South Korea, but he found that it didn't seem to work. Suitable for China's situation. He said: "I have also communicated with club officials and players. Take Japan and South Korea, they sing non-stop throughout the scene and remain unchanged, but domestic players feel that this is not well integrated with the progress of the game. . Now Zhejiang’s ‘Green Soul’ is quite famous. Its model is to imitate the ‘Red Devils’. They mainly use the ‘Green Soul’ to enhance the atmosphere of the stadium and thus add luster to the club, but it does not help much in the 90-minute process. We are also discussing why it is not helpful? Radical fans only learn the expressiveness of Japanese and Korean fan culture. Japanese and Korean fans have a very good relationship with the clubs and players in private. The fans are truly one with the club. As long as they are club members, they have an opportunity to ask the club for anything. A player took a photo with you, and a fan asked the player to take a photo with his dog, and the player took a photo with his dog, and it was natural. In China, this is impossible. Clubs, players and fans have not achieved this true integration. ”

The battle for status

In the Chinese Super League, in addition to the endless competition between Beijing and Tianjin, the more obvious ones are Shanghai and Zhejiang, Qingdao and Jinan. In East China, Shanghai In terms of economy and influence, Zhejiang is definitely the boss, but Zhejiang Province has experienced rapid economic development in recent years and has a certain economic strength to compete with Shanghai. Shanghai's traditional sense of superiority is to look down on its neighbors, and the rivalry between the fans of the two places is also It is becoming more and more obvious. Qingdao is more famous than Jinan, the provincial capital, in some aspects as a seaside tourist city, but Jinan is ahead of Qingdao in terms of administrative level. Qingdao’s economy has developed rapidly in recent years, and its consumption level has also improved. Tianjin is becoming more and more dissatisfied with Big Brother. The same is true for Tianjin. In recent years, the economy has developed rapidly. Changes in living standards have directly affected the changes in the mentality of people in Beijing and Tianjin. Bringing it to the stadium means bringing in a kind of who. No one is convinced. From the fans’ perspective, this is a status contest.

Wang Jinzhou told a story: “After the match between Tianjin and Qingdao, the fans from the two places organized a meal and drank together. We got a lot. At the end, we sang together and set off fireworks. We sang in a circle. While singing, we started shouting slogans. We shouted and shouted all the favorite slogans in both places. Qingdao was scolding Shandong Luneng and Tianjin was. Blame Beijing Guoan. There happened to be two fans from Shandong who were also eating at the food stall that day. As soon as they scolded Luneng, the two fans stopped and ended up fighting.

It can be seen from these details that the relationship between Tianjin and Qingdao can be so good because there is no conflict between the two cities in many aspects. ”

Conflicts between fans, in general, are part of the stadium culture. The level of Chinese football is relatively low, and the audience is easily distracted while watching the game, so we can only create more content in the stands and stand culture. It becomes more and more prosperous. The low level of football must correspond to the low level culture of the stands. More people who come to watch the football have turned their attention away from the stadium. Take the game between Beijing and Tianjin as an example. Most people do it for fun and enjoy this low-level fun - especially when it is about defending some kind of honor, it becomes even crazier when it comes to bickering. Tianjin people can make up a lot of jingles. Except for a few Beijing curses, Beijingers seem to be very poor in language expression.

Wang Jinzhou said: "In 2001, the professional league began to decline. Tianjin and Beijing were not like this in the previous years. To be honest, Beijing's football market is not good, and Tianjin is also bad. Last year, Guoan’s home game was at Fengtai Stadium. How big is the entire stadium? More than 800 people went to Tianjin, and there were relatively few fans in Beijing. Tianjin fans are relatively collective and relatively uniform, while Beijing fans are relatively scattered and cannot have unified slogans, so they suffer more. On June 13 this year, I felt that many people did not come here for the ball, but some came for revenge, and some came to see Lehe, so the on-site interference continued. That game really shocked me. More than 50,000 people yelled at each other. On October 5th, many Beijing fans may come to Tianjin. ”

Re-understanding the stadium

Wang Wen said: “The Chinese Football Association has strict regulations. Stands must be reserved for the visiting team during home games. The stands on both sides of the stadium must be equal to 3 stands.” When you come out, whether there are dozens or hundreds of people sitting there, the other two stands should be used as vacuum stands. This was a rule that only existed a few years ago. For example, in 1995, there were no restrictions on going to Tianjin to watch football. Fans on both sides were right next to each other and started fighting as they watched. Now the security measures in the Beijing competition area should be stricter. Even mineral water bottles cannot be brought in, but you can't let him bring his mobile phone. This time the visiting team fan was injured because even though there was a vacuum in the stands, the mobile phone battery could be thrown. Fans removed the batteries from their mobile phones and threw them over. The rivalry between Beijing and Tianjin fans is partly due to culture. When we went to the away team to watch a game, Tianjin fans flew green tortoises all over the field. Green is the traditional color for the Guoan team, and toy green tortoises were everywhere, some even lit up. We played against Tianjin at home, and the Beijing fans made big buns, some of which were real buns, and some of which were wrapped in white cloth. It was like throwing the buns and even dogs would ignore them, and it was also a humiliating way. In 2009 and 1995, the so-called social atmosphere and people's mentality were far worse than in 2009. Some people came to the scene and thought why did I come here if I didn't curse people? It was just to vent. "In the 1990s, I think court behavior was basically within the scope of sports. Now it really has nothing to do with sports. This time I went to Beijing and saw that many people didn't watch much of the game and were constantly confronting the Beijing fans. It never happened like this when the professional league was at its most intense. "Wang Jinzhou said.

"Every year, many fans regard Guoan's home and away games against Tianjin as one thing. In recent years, Guoan's home games against Tianjin have one of the highest attendance rates. One is that the game itself is beautiful. No one between Guoan and Tianjin is much worse than the other. Fans also know that if there is a Guoan game in Tianjin, there will definitely be fans. In fact, at best, this is a kind of stadium culture, but there are always fans on the field. Some problems include vicious verbal attacks during the game. After the fans leave, security must escort these people safely to their cars and out of the workers' stadium. There are even police cars clearing the way and escorting them to the Fourth Ring Road. One year, a fan drove to a highway intersection after leaving the game. As soon as the car came over, a big brick was thrown at it. This was a special case, but it also reflected the intensity of the conflict between fans in the two places. After Guoan played Tianjin at home this year, the two sides held a symposium in Tianjin, including the two football associations, clubs, public security, and fans associations. The symposium was well conducted, including the Tianjin media. The on-site effect and media publicity were good, but the online fans were still like this. "Wang Wen said.

After the symposium, there was a backlash. At the game site, Tianjin fans carried a banner that read "Accept apology, reject friendship, oppose Beijing and Tianjin fans are one family" and walked around the stadium. Wang Jinzhou said: “The Football Association’s penalty decision is definitely the root cause of the current upgrade. This year, the Tianjin Division received two division warnings, while the Beijing Division only received one notice of criticism.

In the game on June 13, the level of chaos far exceeded Tan Wangsong's level of badness. In fact, the fans have no objection to the Football Association's punishment of Tan Wangsong. Tianjin fans still deserve recognition for this. They still understand football. The most important thing is the penalty for the competition area. Our car was smashed, people were beaten, laser sticks were everywhere, and we only received a notice of criticism. The Workers' Stadium is the home ground of Guoan. With so many things happening, the club should at least say something like, "I apologize to the Tianjin fans who came from afar." The club did not say anything like this, and there was no explanation for the fans being beaten. Wang Wen was scolded after returning from the symposium because he apologized first and the Beijing Football Association apologized. But the fans in Tianjin are very smart. He is targeting the Guoan Club, and the second one is the police. The incident happened at your home stadium, the club should speak out, and the public security should tell everyone how these people were dealt with in the end and what happened. Including when we went to Dalian to watch football, we booked a car, but the travel agency couldn't send the car the day before we left. Because the problem of the bus that was smashed in Beijing was not resolved, even the travel agency people were waiting for October 5th:' We didn't even watch the ball, we just waited to smash a few buses and let them go back and solve the problem on their own. ’ Unfair punishment is the real reason for the escalation of conflicts. The Chinese Football Association failed to handle this matter well, which resulted in the current situation. ”

Some conflicts caused by watching games in other places have become a very serious social problem. There will be some fan conflicts in every round of the Chinese Super League, even if two teams like Scotland’s Glasgow Rangers and Celtic There will not be frequent conflicts between the teams, because the two teams are not only competing, but also have historical and religious conflicts. However, there will be conflicts on the field in every round of the Chinese Super League, such as Shandong. In two home games with Qingdao, they intentionally hung photos of home team players under the stands of away fans. This itself is a kind of provocation. Sometimes, the home team may want to avoid the visiting team from hanging some excessive slogans, but This is often counterproductive. Fans of the relatively moderate Zhejiang Greentown Club clashed with staff in Qingdao, causing both sides to tear down seats and smash each other.

Due to the problems caused by watching the game in another place, Relevant departments are now trying to limit the number of people watching games from other places, and there are even rumors that watching games from other places will be suspended before the National Day. Wang Jinzhou said: "If there are restrictions on watching games from other places, there should be specific things, otherwise we will not be able to convince the fans. Fans have personal freedom and they want to watch the game. How should we control that? If you don't care after going there, it's more likely to cause problems, so as the organizer, it's more troublesome for us, dealing with the Football Association and the police every day. They just talk about it, but there are no regulations. For example, on June 13 this year, we prepared more than 200 people to go to Beijing, but in the end more than 1,000 people went because you couldn't limit it. I told the club at the time that if these more than 1,000 people did not follow us but dispersed by car, it would be even more dangerous and you would not be able to control it at all. If you drive with more than 1,000 people, the Beijing police will have to stop you and wait until the Beijing fans have dispersed before letting you out. If they were all buses, the police would take them away, so it would be better organized to control and manage them. The same thing happened when we went to Dalian, and we were asked to leave early. These people traveled 1,000 miles to Dalian and only watched the second half for ten minutes. If there was no organization, they would definitely not be able to do it. ”

What the Football Association pays attention to every year is the attendance rate. The attendance rate determines the degree of attention and commercial interests of Chinese football. A low attendance rate is relatively safe, but the Football Association has no face; as long as the attendance rate is high, it will definitely When there is a problem of violence in the stadium, because the Football Association pays security fees to the public security department every year, it puts the responsibility on the public security department. However, many problems cannot be solved by the public security department through numbers and coercion. Now the Football Association does not emphasize attendance. That's ridiculous, because the Football Association cannot control the chaos on the court, and the public security department faces a much more complicated field than in the past. This requires these departments to re-understand the field and use more reasonable methods to solve the problem.

In the eyes of the audience, security is still an act of service, but on the field, if this kind of service awareness is slightly insufficient, it may arouse the emotions of the audience: "In the AFC Champions League, Tianjin and South Korea's Pohang Steelers are in the same group. There are only 80 police officers at Pohang Steelers, but there are 8,000 at Tianjin TEDA's home stadium, which is scary. When we went to South Korea for the 2002 World Cup, the police had a very good relationship with the fans. The police even wiped your seats to show you that they were not dirty.

In the domestic arena, not to mention the police, the service staff are not like this. It seems that you are not a fan, you did not buy a ticket to come in, and the attitude is extremely blunt. As a result, the fans are already resistant before the game starts, so during the game Swearing in the street, you can't arrest me anyway, and you even took the opportunity to scold the police together. In fact, over the years, the Chinese Football Association has never discussed how foreign fans are organized when discussing experience, and there is no such department. We have also made suggestions, but the Football Association is still at the stage of not crying without seeing the coffin. There should be guidance on watching games in other places and regulating fans at home. When I look at foreign leagues, the fans are not as far apart as ours. AC Milan and Inter Milan are mortal enemies, but they are not to the point of using force to solve the problem. Fans are now a part of football. In the past, the Football Association only had to deal with football players. Now it should include fans in its work scope. They have not used their brains for so many years, and they have accumulated over a long period of time, which has led to today's results. The fans themselves are part of the league, they don't realize it, and maybe they haven't figured it out yet. ”

With danger often comes a kind of excitement. Although watching a game in a different place is like a journey to hell, it allows people to experience a kind of fun that is not usually felt. This also requires traveling to a different place. Fans watching the game must have a strong psychological quality. “It’s so exciting. "Wang Jinzhou said, "When we go to Dalian to watch the game, we have to avoid the sight of Dalian fans and enter the stadium quickly. And we can’t disclose the itinerary. Last time I went to Changchun, because the itinerary was leaked in advance, I contacted the local police to temporarily change the exit when leaving the station, otherwise there might be conflicts. I went to Dalian and exchanged gifts with local fans before the game. They still attacked each other at the beginning of the game, and in the end they were forced to leave the game early. It was right to leave the game early now, because the Dalian fans were still crazier than the Beijing fans, and the police force in Beijing was also stronger. There were only a few policemen in Dalian. At that time, I saw that the situation was very difficult, so I used a door to stop the Dalian fans. After I agreed to withdraw, I found that the Tianjin bus had been blocked by five or six cars and could not get out. ”

Now fans regard the thrilling journey of watching games in other places as part of watching games in other places. People will be irritated if the bus is stuck on the highway for a few minutes, but people will be irritated if they are stuck in the stadium for several hours. There are no complaints. Wang Jinzhou said: "As an ordinary fan, I don't think about many things, but for me as an organizer, watching away games is simply a kind of destruction. But the fans found it very enjoyable and exciting, and every aspect was exciting. ”

Now people are paying attention to Guoan’s away game against TEDA on October 5. Wang Wen joked that 5,000 people had to pass. The head of the Beijing Public Security Bureau also joked at the symposium between the two places. : “I wish the Tianjin Public Security Bureau good luck on October 5th. "After that, everyone was very happy. If fans from the two places really upgrade the future games to a fun rather than a conflict, then they really have to bring the unique culture of Beijing and Tianjin to the football field.

Hope this helps!