In the late Ming and early Qing dynasties, which Han army defeated the Eight Banners even once on the battlefield?

The official history book of the Qing Dynasty, Manchu Record (the official history book before entering the customs), recorded such a story.

In April of the 13th year of Wanli (1585), Nurhachi led 50 armored soldiers, 30 armored soldiers, and himself, a ***8 1 person, who conquered Chen Zhe's department of the Jurchen nationality.

Shortly after the team of 8 1 person set off, news leaked. Five Nuzhen tribes who had been enemies with Nuerhachi formed a coalition of 800 people to follow Nuerhachi, preparing to surround him secretly and kill Nuerhachi in one fell swoop.

At this time, Nurhachi had a certain degree of military self-restraint. He knew that when the troops marched, they should leave a back post in case they were attacked, so he left a back post at the end of the line.

But it didn't help to leave the post, because a very funny thing happened at that time: the post saw the enemy and reported it in a hurry, but the careless eye ran over and passed Nurhachi. And Nurhachi is also careless. He thought that since it was posted, there would be no problem, so he was careless and didn't look behind.

Finally, it was too late for Nurhachi to see the enemy. He was surrounded by 800 enemy troops.

Things here, still nothing. More interesting is yet to come.

In Nurhachi's team, there are two distant relatives, one is Zaqin and the other is Sanguri. Seeing that the situation was not good, the two men immediately took off their armor and ran away. Other soldiers saw the chaos and quickly took off their clothes and ran away. The company commander Nurhachi became the monitor Nurhachi in the blink of an eye.

Seeing this situation, Nurhachi knew that he would not fight hard, and this desperate effort had to stay here. In desperation, he had to take his younger brother Muerhaqi, and together with Wulingga near Shi Yan Blue, in the form of cluster operations, four people fought bloody battles against 800 people, wielding swords and beheading them, and defeated 800 pursuers. Finally escaped.

Nurhachi led eighty people, all jurchen, but things went bad and most of them disappeared.

The 800 people who came after Nurhachi were also Jurchen, but they dared to fight hard, but they couldn't beat just four people.

Did you find any problems from the above two paragraphs?

Yes, it is often said that the Eight Banners' fighting capacity is bursting because jurchen is barbaric, but this is totally untenable.

Nurhachi was able to come from behind, unify the ministries of Jianzhou Jurchen and hang the Ming army. In addition to excellent military literacy, the most important reason is not that Nuzhen is good at fighting, but that Nurhachi established a very strict military organizational structure after the Ming Dynasty. Compared with other jurchen departments and Ming army at that time, the Eight Banners soldiers he established were more like a regular army.

The regular army has strong organizational discipline, clear rewards and punishments, and the money is in place. Of course, such armed forces will be hanged to fight the Ming army that has degenerated into a rogue underworld.

In other words, compared with the elite Ming army, that is, the serious and effective Ming army, the quality of individual soldiers is not much better. The so-called invincible eight banners soldiers are exaggerated. The Eight Banners are not? No sky in your mouth? .