The last conversation between Jobs and Bill Gates on the same stage

In 2007, Steve Jobs, the founder of Apple, and Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft, attended the D5 high-tech conference of the scientific and media circles hosted by the Digital Technology website of The Wall Street Journal. They talked about the development of Microsoft and Apple, their views on each other, and various misunderstandings in the eyes of the world. This is the last time Jobs and Bill Gates talked on the same stage. Five years have passed, so let's review this classic dialogue.

Moderator: The first question I am interested in is, what contribution do you think they have made to the computer and technology industries?

Start with you.

Steve (male name)

For bill, and vice versa.

Moderator: The first thing I am interested in asking is, what do you think is the contribution of each other to the computer and technology industries, Jobs? Say Gates first, then communicate.

Jobs: I think the most important thing is that Bill really focuses on software.

Before almost everyone knew it, it was really software.

Jobs: The key point is that Gates is very focused on software, and it started when people didn't know what real software was.

Moderator: Bill

What are the contributions of Steve and Apple?

Moderator: Gates, can you talk about the contributions of Jobs and Apple?

Bill: First of all.

I want to clarify that I am not a fake Steve Jobs.

Gates: First of all, I want to clarify that I am not a "fake Jobs" (a joke on the blog).

Moderator: Actually, I have seen an Apple advertisement with the number 1978. This is a print advertisement that shows you how old it is. It says

Thousands of people have discovered Apple Computer.

Moderator: Actually, I also saw an Apple advertisement of 1978, which was a print advertisement, so I can see how long ago it was. The advertisement said that thousands of people found Apple Computer.

Jobs: At that time, we had some very strange advertisements. There is one in the kitchen. There is a woman who looks like a wife.

She typed in recipes on the computer.

Looking at F with her Hu * * and that kind of approving eyes …

Jobs: At that time, we did have a lot of weird advertisements. For example, there is an advertisement in the kitchen. A woman who looks like a housewife is typing a recipe on the computer, while her husband looks at her approvingly behind her. Something like this. ...

Moderator: There are some people here.

But I don't think most people know that there is actually Microsoft software on that Apple II computer. Do you want to talk about what happened there? How did this happen?

Moderator: Some people here may know, but I don't think most people know that Apple's second-generation computer is actually equipped with Microsoft software. Can you tell me what this is about? How did it happen?

Bill: The original Apple II basic model.

Integer basic

We have nothing to do with this. Then floating-point type.

I mainly worked with Woz there.

Gates: The earliest Apple II changed the basic operating system based on integer operation, and we didn't participate at all. Later, it was modified to support floating-point operation (Microsoft participated), and this project was mainly done by Wozniak and me. ...

Jobs: Let me tell this story. We got a lot of information, and people want this BASIC to be floating-point. Please. Please generate this floating point. We begged Woz.

Jobs: Let me tell this story. We received a lot of feedback. Users want the basic operating system to support floating-point operations. We are all begging Wozniak for you! Please make it support floating-point operations.

Moderator: Who is "we"? How many people are there in Apple?

Moderator: Who does "we" mean here? How many Apple people ask for this?

Jobs: Hmm.

Are begging Woz to do this floating point. He never does it. He wrote it on paper by hand.

Jobs: Well, actually, it's just me. We all have to ask Wozniak to let it support floating-point operations. He just won't do it. He just wrote it on paper.

Moderator: How much is it? I thought you told us before.

Compere: How much did Apple give you? I think you mentioned it before.

Bill: Oh.

$3 1

000. For floating-point BASIC. I flew to Apple, where I spent O days getting tapes ... At that time, tapes were the main way for people to store things. and

You know

That's interesting. So we work together. The timetable is uncertain. The quality is uncertain. Steve appeared first.

It will be much cheaper than it is now. But we bet that this paradigm shift will be a graphical interface. In particular, Macintosh will realize this through 128K memory. Of which 22k is used for screen buffer.

14k is used for the operating system.

Gates: Oh, 3 1, 000 dollars. Provides a basic operating system that supports floating-point operations. I flew to the headquarters of Apple, and it took me two days to finish the tape ... Tape was the main storage tool of that era. As you can imagine, that's interesting. We work together, there is no definite timetable, no clear configuration requirements, and the price is still uncertain ... Jobs's original computer is much cheaper than the actual one. But this is nothing, so we bet that the graphical interface will be the next innovation, especially Apple will make it possible with its 128K memory, 22K screen display buffer and 14K operating system.

Moderator: 14K? !

Moderator: 14K? !

Bill: We are actually negotiating an investment and cooperation deal with gil amelio. The next thing I know,

Steve called me and said

"Don't worry about negotiating with gil amelio. You can talk to me now."

Gates: We are talking about the investment transaction with gil amelio (then CEO of Apple). Not long after, Jobs called me and said, "Don't talk to gil amelio. Now you can talk to me directly." (Jobs returns to Apple)

What do you think of yourself in this landscape today? In some ways, you are petitioners. We watched them get angry with each other from time to time. I have to admit that I like computer men.

Moderator: What do you think of each other in today's environment? In some ways, you are competitors. We all saw those advertisements. You all get angry with each other from time to time. I have to admit, I quite like the person who represents PC in the advertisement.

Jobs: Yes.

He's great. I like to know that these kind arts are not despicable.

But in fact, for people who like each other.

Jobs: Yes, he is great. I quite like him. These advertisements are artistic, because they are not intended to make PC and Mac want each other. But to make them like each other.

Bill: Thank you!

Gates: Thank you!

Jobs: Computer people have a great heart.

Jobs: People who use PCs are great! They are kind-hearted

Bill: In some cases, like Zune.

If you go to that group. They think Apple is a small company. They like that Apple has created a huge market. They will try to make some contributions. We love them.

Because they are all customers. It's a great irony that they gave up the processor.

And Xbox 360 is adopting it. But there are good reasons.

Actually, in both cases. We try to do things that way. This is the early development system that people prepared software for the introduction of Xbox 360.

Gates: There are several examples, such as the team that makes Zune (Microsoft's iPod-like product). They will regard Apple as a competitor. They are very happy that Apple has created such a huge market. They will also participate and make some contributions. We like them very much, because they are all users of our iPod, and Xbox 360 uses the same processor as Mac. This is one of the biggest contrasts in our understanding, when Apple gave up that processor (lack of mobility). XBox 360 began to adopt it (XBox doesn't need mobile apps). However, although the two approaches are different, they all have their own reasons. We try to proceed from actual needs. So early XBox employees used this development system to launch the software parts needed by Xbox 360.

Jobs: We have never advertised on it.

Jobs: We have never promoted this.

Bill: I see. Admirable restraint. That is excellent restraint.

Gates: I see. Temperance, very temperance.

Jobs: There are hundreds.

Jobs: We have hundreds of advertisements.

Bill: Steve is famous for his restraint.

Gates: Jobs is famous for his "golden mean".

Host: I guess you have a tablet. I wonder what brand it is. Maybe you changed them. I don't know. You obviously have a Macbook Pro with you.

I guess so.

Compere: I guess you will bring a tablet computer. Of course, I don't know which brand it is. Maybe you use it instead? I don't know. I guess you must have brought a MacBook Pro.

Jobs: Yes. good

And an iPhone.

Jobs: Yes. And there's an iPhone.

Moderator: Do you have it?

Moderator: Did you bring your iPhone?

Jobs: Yes.

Jobs: Yes.

Host: Right here?

Moderator: Just around?

Jobs: Yes.

Jobs: Yes.

Moderator: He has one. He took it out before. Really. Just the iPhone and some other * *** artphone. I know you think the iPhone is much better than other mobile phones at present. But these things .. are they just computers with different shapes?

Moderator: He has. He used it before. Smartphones such as iPhone are just ... Of course, I know you think iPhone is much better than other mobile phones at present. These mobile phones … are they just another form of computers?

Jobs: You know we are doing something I can't say.

Jobs: You know we are developing something that I can't talk about at the moment (iPad? )

Moderator: Here we go again.

Moderator: Here we go again. ...

Jobs: Not again.

Yes

Jobs: Yeah, it still won't work.

Compere: Very beautiful.

Yeah! There used to be a proverb.

Will it surprise us at Apple?

although

When you can talk about it. Blow us away

sound of crying or vomiting

That's great. Apple once had a saying

Compere: It must be "super good-looking" (Jobs often said in product introduction)! Once upon a time, there was a saying dedicated to Apple ... When you can say that, it will definitely make us "super shocked" and "unparalleled" (both are Steve Jobs' pet words). There was a saying before that described Apple.

Jobs: Isn't it interesting?

A ship leaking from the top?

Jobs: A boat with a leaking roof must be funny, right?

Compere: It's a bit like a sweater without sleeves or a vest.

Compere: It's a bit like saying "A sweater without sleeves is a vest".

Jobs: That's what they said about me when I was in my twenties.

Jobs: (serious expression) That's what they said about me when I was in my twenties.

Moderator: I want to ask a more personal question. We only have one minute before we start asking questions. What is the greatest-I won't call this Barbara Walters moment and ask what tree you want to be.

But, She really wants to be Barbara walters.

Let me tell you something. no

I won't. What is the biggest misunderstanding? ...

Moderator: I want to ask a more personal question. After one minute, we will begin to ask the audience questions. The biggest misunderstanding between you is … I won't call this Barbara walters moment and ask what kind of tree you want to be (Barbara once asked Hepburn this famous question). By the way, she really wants to be Barbara walters, but I don't. The biggest misunderstanding between you is ...

Jobs: Ding ...

Jobs: Ding (Time is up) ...

Moderator: Thank you.

Your relationship? Obviously, you will go down in history.

The history book has been written.

Something like that. But what is the biggest misunderstanding in your relationship? What is the misunderstanding about each other? What do you think of this idea of fighting cats? Which one of many?

Moderator: Thank you, Jobs. What is the biggest misunderstanding between you? There is no doubt that you will go down in history. This period of history can be said to have been settled. What is the biggest misunderstanding between you? What do you think of the saying "cat and dog fight"? Among many statements, which one is more accurate?

Jobs: We have kept our marriage secret for more than ten years.

Jobs: We have been hiding our secret marriage for more than ten years.

Moderator: Canada! That trip to Canada!

Moderator: Canada! It must be that trip to Canada! (Canada allows same-sex marriage)

Work: Generally speaking.

We are all the youngest people in the room.

Alone or together. I am about six months older than him.

But about the same age. Now when we work in our respective companies,

I don't know about you.

But I am the oldest person in the room.

Most of the time. That's why I like being here.

Jobs: Generally speaking, at that time, we were always the youngest people in the room.

Alone or together, I am almost six months older than him, but we are basically the same age. Now we are in our respective companies. I don't know about you. Most of the time, I am the oldest one in the room. That's why I like coming here.

Host: My pleasure.

Moderator: I'm glad you came. I'd love to.

Jobs: I think most things in life are either Bob Dylan's songs or the Beatles' songs. But there is a line in a Beatles song. The memory of you and me is longer than the road ahead. This is obviously true.

Jobs: I think most things in life can be explained by Bob Dylan or Beatles songs. There is a line in a Beatles song, "No matter how tortuous the road ahead is, it can't compare with the memories between you and me", which is very accurate for us.

Moderator: Sweet. Guess what? I think we should stop here. I have a tear here now. Thank you very much

Moderator: It's so warm! I think we should stop here, don't you? My eyes are a little moist. Thank you very much.