How strong are Jiraiya and orochimaru?

First, analyze the strength of Jiraiya. Jiraiya's strength should be the strongest among the three forbearance. Compare it with the weasel. Orochimaru quit Xiao because he couldn't beat the weasel, so he took a fancy to Sasuke, who was also round-eyed but weak. When the ferret took Naruto to Gang Shou, Jiraiya, he said that even if he teamed up with Sharkbead, it was not necessarily Jiraiya's opponent. At the end of the battle, the ferret sky was just used to escape. It can be said that the strength of Jiraiya should be higher than that of ferrets. In addition, Payne is a team of six people. At the end of the battle, Payne said, "You are my teacher. If we hadn't mastered this secret, I'm afraid we wouldn't have won him. " As can be seen from this sentence, Payne means that Jiraiya is at least as powerful as Payne if everyone fully understands it.

Besides, orochimaru. Orochimaru was really strong in the early days. In the three-person endurance battle, Jiraiya and Gang Shou didn't get anything cheap from him, although there were many factors that caused the three of them to fail to exert their full strength (Jiraiya was poisoned, Gang Shou was seriously injured, and orochimaru's hands were scrapped and could not be printed). The reason why I feel weak in the later period is mainly the appearance of Xiao organization. Almost everyone in Xiao Zhong has the strength not weaker than three forbearance. For example, the strength of Spot, Nagato and Skunk is above three forbearance, so I feel that orochimaru is weak in the later period.