When an elevator is installed in the community, the residents on the first floor disagree and forcefully block it. What should I do?

I remember when I first heard about the installation of elevators in old communities, I was really envious. How great it would be if elevators could be installed in all old communities!

There are many old communities here, and only a few new ones have elevators according to the new standards.

I happened to buy a new community with an elevator. I also have a house in the old community, which is on the top floor and has no elevator.

I have been climbing stairs for more than ten years. When I first moved in, it didn’t matter. I was young and could climb very well. However, as I got older, climbing stairs became very difficult. Later I experienced the elevator room. After that, I bought an elevator room.

Needless to say the benefits. Looking back at the old house, it is because of the lack of an elevator. We all have this situation here:

If you want to sell the top floor, Compared with the first and second floors, the price can be reduced by two-thirds;

Even for rental houses, people are too lazy to rent them when they hear that they are on the top floor;

Some old neighbors now, but Even though I was living on the second floor, I was already out of breath and couldn't climb up. If I had to carry some food or something in my hand, I would be extremely tired. Going up two floors and taking a rest would be really pitiful!

Not to mention those who live on the top floor and have never been able to move down!

If an elevator is installed, my feeling is that as long as more than two-thirds of the residents agree, it will be OK.

Now in our elevator room, residents on the first floor also pay the elevator fee, because there is a basement and they can use the elevator. You can't delay the interests of everyone just because you don't want to pretend!

As for how to install the elevator and where to install it, since they agreed to install it, they must have a way, so don’t worry, it will definitely work. I really pray that they are all installed in the elevator!

Chengdu City documents are: 2/3 of the number of households and 2/3 of the area can apply for additional installations, which will be publicized for ten days. During the publicity period, any objections will be submitted in writing to the community. Then organize negotiation and mediation. If you insist on objecting, you will not be allowed to enter the venue to perform charity work. That is, the construction must be 100% agreed (by unit, building, community). There are 550 households in our community, 46 households agree and 504 households oppose it. The majority disagreed. Among the 46 households that agreed, 32 had already rented out their houses because they wanted to install an elevator on the 7th floor and then rent more and sell more. My 83-year-old grandmother across the street also objects to it. The 78-year-old on the 5th floor objected. The coolest lady on the 6th floor of the neighborhood next door is 103 years old. She objects to going up and down the stairs every day. I objected on the third floor. It is not allowed if it is not the same unit, building, or community. There are public *** parts, and everyone has the right to enjoy them but not exclusively. Installing an elevator will seriously affect safety, and will also affect lighting and noise on the first and second floors, as well as fire protection and greening. Which unit or government department in the country dares to guarantee that there will be no impact on safety? It's just about stimulating domestic demand and making profits. This ends in the same farce as the national call to tear down community walls a few years ago.

I'm happy to answer this question.

This is the case in the community where I live, because our community was built relatively early and was an early stair house. Since there are only 8 floors in total, the developer did not consider installing an elevator at that time!

But now many young people have gone out to work, leaving behind their elderly parents or elders. Because of their age, their legs and feet are gradually not as agile as before. In order to facilitate residents, the community owners committee began to convene everyone to discuss the installation of elevators.

Then the next problem comes. Because it involves cost issues, the residents on the first floor disagree. There are many reasons, such as: blocking the lighting in my room, not being able to use it in my home, or installing it in my home. House value depreciates, etc. It probably means that the elevator can't bring you any benefits. In fact, I personally think this approach is quite selfish. To put it another way, everyone will grow old one day, so there is no need to do this.

What should we do in this situation?

First of all, we have to admit the objective fact, that is, residents on the first floor do not spend much time using the elevator, so in terms of fees, I think we should adopt segmented charging, with higher floors charging more and lower floors charging more. Charge less. After all, when we buy, higher floors are cheaper. This will give residents on lower floors a psychological balance.

Secondly, when installing the elevator, try to choose a suitable location to avoid the lighting needs of the residents, especially on the first floor. Try to install a better quality elevator to avoid too much noise affecting everyone's life.

If the users on the first floor are really not allowed to pretend, we can only ask the relevant people in the community to mediate and do more ideological work to make them understand that this is a good thing that is convenient for everyone!

The above are some of my personal opinions. If you have different opinions, please leave a comment!

Residents on the first floor do not need to use an elevator, and installing an elevator will reduce the value of the first floor. At the same time, after installing an elevator, the operation, maintenance and traffic of the elevator may be affected. Living on the first floor, so it is normal for the first floor to object to the installation of an elevator.

Of course, the installation of an elevator is a matter that belongs to all owners. Should all owners agree unanimously, or should a majority of owners agree? This has always been controversial. However, judging from the regulations in most places, most areas refer to property management regulations and other regulations, which require that the addition of an elevator must be obtained from the owners of the building where the exclusive part accounts for more than two-thirds of the total area of ??the building and accounts for one-third of the total number of people. An elevator can be installed if two or more owners agree.

Generally speaking, the advantages of installing an elevator outweigh the disadvantages. The installation of an elevator makes it easier for the elderly and sick to go downstairs. At present, various places are gradually promulgating the "Management Measures for Adding Elevators to Existing Residences", which shows that the government is still encouraging the installation of elevators in the general direction. Unilateral disagreement on the first floor may not be able to stop it. However, the contradictions here still require coordination between all parties. The installation of an elevator will objectively bring impact and losses to the first floor. Appropriate compensation can also be considered.

The installation of elevators in old communities has caused a lot of controversy in the past two years. In the past few years, people in Guangzhou were killed because of this matter:

An old man suffering from heart disease, In order to stop the construction team from working, they pushed and pushed the construction equipment, which caused a heart attack. In the end, he died due to delayed rescue. This is a profound lesson.

In our country, the residential buildings built in the 1970s and 1980s were basically not equipped with elevators. Nowadays, most of the residents in these buildings are elderly people. For them, as long as it is higher than the third floor, Especially above the seventh floor, climbing up and down every day is definitely a severe test for the body, which makes many elderly people try not to go out as much as possible.

Installing elevators should be the most effective way to solve travel problems for this group of people. In addition, some local governments have specially allocated funds to provide subsidies. Such a move has been welcomed by high-rise residents.

But here comes the problem: the residents living on the first and second floors have given up. They feel that installing an elevator not only blocks the lighting and ventilation of their houses, but also causes a certain degree of depreciation of the value of the houses. In addition, They don't need to take elevators for daily travel, so these people are always the first to speak out against it.

At this time, a practical problem arises: how does the law define the act of installing an elevator, and a dispute arises between Articles 76 and 97 of the "Property Rights Law".

Article 76 of the "Property Rights Law" stipulates that the renovation or reconstruction of a building and its ancillary facilities must be approved by the owner whose exclusive part accounts for more than two-thirds of the total area of ??the building and accounts for three thirds of the total number of persons. More than two-thirds of the owners agreed.

Article 97 of the "Property Rights Law" stipulates that when disposing of the owner's real estate or movable property and making major repairs to the owner's real estate or movable property, more than two-thirds of the share shall be obtained. The parties shall agree on a share-by-share basis or all parties shall agree with the parties, unless otherwise agreed between parties.

In China, some provinces and cities implement the provisions of Article 76 when installing elevators. The government believes that elevators are indispensable accessory facilities of buildings, and the installation only needs to obtain two-thirds of the approval. Agree is enough, and it will only provide appropriate subsidies to the residents at the bottom;

Because the "Property Law" does not provide detailed provisions on this, resulting in inconsistent implementation standards in various places and frequent conflicts.

Anyway, it has always been a problem to install elevators in old communities. When the bottom layer is unwilling and the backlash is strong, the government cannot force the construction. When everyone's interests are involved, it is most difficult to unify opinions. It would be hard for everyone if this incident resulted in a loss of life. After all, all the people living here are elderly people, which has led to difficulties in progressing the work.

It seems that only the law providing a detailed explanation of this, such as the source of installation funds, elevator technical standards, compensation standards for ground floor residents, etc., is the fundamental solution to the problem.

In recent years, the installation of elevators in old buildings has been particularly popular and has been the focus of major media reports. Seven departments including the Department of Housing and Urban-Rural Development of Henan Province also jointly issued the "Guiding Opinions on Installing Elevators in Existing Urban Residences" this year, requiring all functional departments to simplify procedures and carry out the installation of elevators in existing residences in an orderly manner. I think the procedures and raising funds are not difficult. The biggest difficulty lies in the attitude on the first floor. Many residents on the first floor are opposed to installing an elevator. To solve this kind of problem, we must first understand why they are opposed. I think the following measures should be taken way.

1. Why do residents on the first floor oppose the installation of an elevator?

The first floor is convenient for entry and exit. The original house price has always been very high in the whole house, and it is deeply loved by some elderly people. After the elevator was installed, the plot turned around. The house prices on the top floor went up, while the house prices on the first floor dropped. This is because the first floor also has shortcomings, such as poor lighting, poor ventilation, many mosquitoes, and dirty outdoor areas. In addition, The addition of an elevator did affect some of the light on the first floor. Therefore, residents on the first floor strongly opposed the installation of an elevator, and would even forcibly block the construction, causing conflicts among neighbors. The two owners on the sixth floor of the unit where I live negotiated to install an elevator. The elevator company came to take measurements, and the elderly people upstairs happily told each other. Unexpectedly, it became more and more difficult to do the work from top to bottom. When I reached the first floor, I was completely stuck. The owner of the first floor gave a lot of reasons, which boiled down to one sentence: No. The additional installation was left there, and all the preliminary work was in vain.

2. What are the policies for residents on the first floor when installing an elevator?

As the saying goes, if you want justice, turn it upside down. If we were residents on the first floor, we would definitely disagree and might block the construction. Although according to the relevant provisions of my country's Property Law, "renovation or reconstruction of a building and its ancillary facilities shall be approved by the owners whose exclusive parts account for more than two-thirds of the total area of ??the building and who account for more than two-thirds of the total number of persons." "Agree", other owners of the unit can completely ignore the owners on the first floor, but this is not people-oriented, affects neighborhood harmony, and creates new conflicts. In order to reduce such conflicts, some places stipulate that all owners must agree when formulating renovation policies. This In fact, the residents on the first floor are given the right to veto. If a household on the first floor does not agree with the elevator, they will not install it. What our owners committee implements is that all owners must agree. The main purpose is to facilitate future management and reduce conflicts.

3. How to solve the problem? At this time, if it is a unit housing, the unit may have to come forward to solve the problem. If it is a commercial housing, the elders or people with high prestige in the building will need to go deep into the homes of the residents on the first floor with everyone's opinions and talk face to face. Talk, listen to what they say, understand their demands, and negotiate to find a balance of interests and provide appropriate financial compensation, such as giving a one-time compensation of 20,000 yuan to the residents on the first floor and signing an agreement in exchange for their Agree to wait. There are also some communities with large yards that open a vegetable patch behind the houses of first-floor residents for them to grow vegetables without affecting the travel of other residents, and they even signed an agreement. As a resident on the first floor, we should also support the country’s policy of benefiting the people. Who doesn’t have an elderly person in their home? According to media reports, many residents on the first floor voluntarily gave up compensation. After so many years, their neighbors would not be embarrassed to install an elevator. The construction design unit is also actively thinking of ways to add light to the first floor, trying to find ways to use translucent engineering glass to reduce To block light on the first floor, sound insulation materials are used for noise control to reduce the impact on the first floor. Two leaders of the owners committee of our community, two owners on the sixth floor, and an engineer from the elevator company went to the homes of the two owners on the first floor with design drawings and plans to discuss solutions. The engineer patiently explained the construction plan and construction materials, and told Their elevator has a certain impact on the first floor, but it is not as big as imagined. The elevator company tries its best to reduce the impact to a minimum. The leader also informed them of the compensation plan: free property fees for 10 years, compensation of 10,000 yuan, and 5 square meters of public green space outside the back window of the house for two elderly families to grow vegetables, with a use period of 10 years. When the two elderly families on the first floor saw this situation, they had nothing to say. They discussed it on the phone with their children, and happily signed and fingerprinted the agreement, and the problem was successfully resolved. Now the elevator is running normally, and the elderly people upstairs can go downstairs frequently.

In short, I think that the beneficiary of installing an elevator should provide the injured party with appropriate compensation, which is the only way to solve the difficulty of installing an elevator in an old building. Any project that benefits the people can only take fair care of all parties. If the interests and needs of both parties are met, it will be implemented smoothly.

If you have different opinions, please leave comments and corrections, thank you!

Selfish nature is innate. It is very common that residents on the first floor do not agree with the installation of elevators in the community and will use various excuses to obstruct it. Let’s take a look at the excuses first: “After the elevator was installed, the sound of the elevator kept me from sleeping” “The elevator blocked my lighting” “After the elevator was installed, it made my travel more inconvenient” The value of your house will increase if you install an elevator, but the value of my house will decrease. If you don’t install it, you won’t install it. “I won’t use it at home, so you don’t want to install it.” There are all kinds of reasons. In fact, to put it bluntly, I feel that I have no interests, so I kidnap the interests of most people. This is typical selfishness. Especially if there are elderly people with limited mobility at home, it will be more convenient to have an elevator. Everyone will grow old one day, and it is convenient for others and for oneself.

1. Adopt normal negotiations, and ask for the intervention of the property owners committee (which has been established) or the community (where there is no property committee). Explain the current national policy on encouraging the installation of elevators in old communities, and explain the various inconveniences faced by other residents. I hope the other party can understand. In addition, installing elevators is a future trend. Of course, if it was that easy, there wouldn't be a problem.

2. Try to satisfy the reasonable demands of the residents on the first floor as much as possible. It's nothing more than a lighting or noise issue. Sightseeing elevators can be used for lighting, which are transparent and do not affect lighting. As for noise, machine roomless elevators are now used, with variable frequency speed regulation, so the noise is almost negligible. It can be said that the current operation sound of the elevator is not as loud as the sound of footsteps. As for the floor space occupied, it is a public area and has no impact on the first floor area.

3. Some people say it will affect the structure of the house. Today's exterior elevators all use steel frame structures, and are only fixed with one or two screws to the wall, which does not affect the structure of the wall. This is not a reason.

4. Adopt the floor allocation differential system. The higher the floor, the more the apportionment. You don’t have to pay for the first floor, but you can enjoy the right to use it for free. Under normal circumstances, this problem can still be solved.

5. For the somewhat difficult first-floor owners, to put it bluntly, they just want money. It's a very simple approach. How much compensation can be paid directly? A reasonable amount is fine, but it's definitely not possible for a lion to open its mouth. Ten thousand to twenty thousand to thirty thousand can be negotiated. After all, his house is unlikely to depreciate so much. Installing an elevator will not increase the value of the house much. The biggest advantage is that it is more convenient to go up and down the stairs above the second floor, which is especially suitable for the elderly.

As an old community, everyone should have empathy. Everyone will grow old one day. Whether it is now or in the future, we need to be convenient with others. Using one's own selfish desires to kidnap the interests of everyone else is actually an immoral act.

Installing elevators in old communities is inherently a difficult problem to coordinate, and it involves the interests of all parties:

1. The issue of house value, multi-story houses, gold, three, silver, and four. The cheapest on the 2nd floor and the 1st floor is of course the top floor. When you buy it, it can be one-third cheaper than the one below. The value of its goods is relatively low. Of course, when you install the ladder, it will rise straight up, and then the floors below will depreciate;

2. The problem of space when installing an elevator is that it occupies public space, that is, the public area. The light on the first floor is not very good, so it will be somewhat affected after the elevator is installed at home.

3. The cost of installing elevators, some of which have to be shared among the 1st to 6th floors, including later elevator maintenance costs;

Taken together, it creates a problem of difficulty in retrofitting elevators in old communities. , there is no need for moral kidnapping, saying that the minority obeys the majority is definitely a sign of morality and selfishness, because the value of the commodity you buy a house determines the benefits you can enjoy, and it is absolutely undesirable to harm the interests of others to satisfy your own interests. If I really want to install it, I want to consider a few issues:

1. The issue of compensation for the depreciation of the bottom floor. Installing an elevator on the top floor will increase its value and enjoy convenience. Should the money from the appreciation space be used to compensate for the loss of the bottom floor? ? (I guess most senior executives would not agree)

2. Regarding the installation costs and subsequent maintenance costs, should the first floor not have to pay, and should even issues such as the shared electricity bill for the elevator be taken into consideration?

If it is inconvenient to go upstairs, you can sell it and exchange it for an elevator room or move to the ground floor.

Those who give their children money to buy a new house and live in the old house themselves, shouldn't their children give up the elevator room to their parents?

Government subsidies come from taxpayers. Do taxpayers agree to using taxpayers’ money to subsidize private property housing? They disliked the darkness and dampness of the lower floors and refused to replace them, but they also wanted to win sympathy from the lower floors and the government to help them continue to live in the bright and comfortable high floors. In the end, the value of the apartments rose and they made a fortune. The Chinese people's selfishness and cunning were clearly demonstrated. Once taxpayers are deceived and the government subsidizes the construction of elevators and the value increases, they will sell them for profit. It is deplorable that in order to cooperate with the elevator manufacturers to make money, the government departments unconscionably favored most floors and publicly raped the legitimate rights and interests of the residents on the first and second floors.

Others who buy elevator rooms are forced to pay a high price for the shared area of ????the elevator space. Why is it not considered an illegal building to install an elevator that occupies the shared area of ????the public house for free?

From a purely social equity perspective, please avoid the morally kidnapping trolls.

The installation of elevators in old communities may look beautiful, but in fact there is no other solution. I also live in an old community, on the fifth floor, and I am over 70 years old. Logically speaking, I should actively support the installation of elevators, but when I learned about the elevator design, I lost my enthusiasm. This modified elevator cannot reach your own floor. You have to walk half a floor of stairs on each floor. Ours is level nine. I thought, if I can still walk, I can go up to the fifth floor. If I can't walk one day, it will be difficult to go up to half a floor! So I particularly understand the objections from the residents on the first floor. It’s really not worth spending so much money and energy on a dilapidated house without being able to finally solve the problem. Since the country attaches so much importance to the problems of the elderly, why can't it break out of this inherent thinking mode? For example, support the complete renovation of old communities, encourage developers to develop high-rise elevator rooms, and then replace them with old residents. The development should be carried out in phases and in batches, so as to ensure direct relocation without passing through transitional housing. The locations of old communities are generally very good, and the developers are not at a loss. The old communities can be given a new look, and the city will be more beautiful. Kill three birds with one stone!