Car lying incident

In order to prevent owners who had no parking spaces from driving into the community, property management personnel lay down in front of the owners’ cars

In December 2009, there was an article about “Che Lie” in Jinan Posts with photos of "Lie down" were circulated in various community forums. In the photos, a man is lying or sitting on the ground blocking the front of a silver car. There are many people watching. On December 14, reporters came to the community where the incident occurred: Shengshi Huacheng in the High-tech Zone. "He was lying in front of our owner's vehicle and was not allowed to enter the community." According to Ms. Xu, the owner who was at the scene that day, the protagonist of the photo is a staff member of the Shengshi Huacheng Community Property Company. According to Ms. Xu, on the evening of December 7, in order to prevent owners who had not rented a parking space from driving into the community, the staff member lay directly in front of an owner's car. The angry owner blocked the car at the entrance of the community. , the incident continued until about 10 o'clock that night, "Finally the owner turned on the electronic lever and drove home." The next day, this "car lying down" named by the owner went viral on online forums along with the entire incident. On December 8th and 9th, this scene of parking and blocking the door appeared again. The owner broke the electronic pole at the gate and vehicles entered the community.

Now, the three-day confrontation has finally subsided temporarily through mediation by multiple parties. "We hope to negotiate with the property through forming a representative group." A representative of the owner said. The person in charge of the property department said that he is under a lot of pressure now. What are the reasons for the tit-for-tat confrontation between property owners and property management companies? “In late November, the property management posted a notice saying that the monthly rent for an underground parking space is 260 yuan, which is too expensive. Moreover, starting from December 7, the owner’s car will not be allowed to go home if the parking space is not rented. It is very inappropriate.” 12 On March 15, an owner who was preparing to drive out told the cause of the incident.

It is also understood that the "Che Lai Lai" is no longer seen in the community. "'Che Lai Lai' seems to no longer work in the community. I haven't seen him for several days." Shengshi Among the Huacheng owner group, "car lying down" is still a hot topic.

Owners question>>

The underground parking space rental fee of 260 yuan per month is a bit high. What is the basis for pricing the property?

On the afternoon of December 14, In the Shengshi Huacheng Community, various notices issued by the property management are still posted at the door of the unit. An owner of Building 6 said that in July, some owners completed the parking space rental procedures. But what makes people dissatisfied is that other people's cars are often parked in their own parking spaces, and those who rent parking spaces can enter and exit the same as those who do not rent parking spaces; when parking, they can park wherever they want. "On November 22, the property management posted a notice again. From November 23 to December 6, vehicles will be allowed to enter and leave the community with cards (permits) on a trial basis, and temporary parking permits with an expiration date of December 6 will be issued. Starting from December 7 , vehicles without a card are not allowed to enter the community. On November 25, the property management company posted a "notification letter" offering a preferential price for parking spaces at 260 yuan per parking space per month (including a 50 yuan management fee).

As soon as the notice came out, there was a lot of discussion in the community: The underground garage parking spaces purchased by the owners only have the right to use them but not the property rights. So who owns the property rights of the underground garages in the community? Does the developer have the right to rent and sell the underground garage parking spaces? Is there a basis for charging? ? How much is the monthly rental fee for a parking space? How is the cost calculated? At the same time, the owners who had rented the parking space in July did not want to continue paying the fee because they were dissatisfied that their parking spaces were often occupied by others. > Property Reply>>

The developer estimated the rent to be 350 yuan per month, which is now discounted. The biggest problem at the moment is that there is no government-guided price for parking space rentals

December 15, At the property management office located in Shengshi Huacheng Community, the project manager of the property management department answered some of the residents’ concerns: “The owner can be provided with a survey map of the underground garage, and the developer is going through the property rights procedures. "Manager Li took out the survey map, and it can be seen that there are two large garages underground. According to Manager Li, the property rights of the garages in areas A and B belong to the construction unit, while the garages in areas C and D belong to civil air defense projects. The community currently has underground parking spaces. There are more than 980 units, of which 450 have been sold and 150 have been rented out. However, what is worrying is that there are more than 1,700 households in the community and there are now more than 800 cars. The community has no planned above-ground parking spaces. After all the owners move in, If an owner buys it, there will still be parking spaces for sale. In the future, it is very likely that even if you have money, you will not be able to rent a parking space.

"The price of the parking space rental fee is determined by the developer. The final situation is now being discussed." Manager Li said that the cost of the parking space provided by the developer is 2,400 yuan per square meter, "but the wall. Pillars, etc. are all included in the shared area. Therefore, the cost of a parking space is more than 80,000 yuan. Based on a 20-year lease, the monthly rent should be about 350 yuan." As for how the cost is calculated, the property manager said. He said he didn't know either. "There is a lot of pressure now, and I hope the problem can be solved." Manager Li said that the biggest problem now is that there is no government-guided price for parking space rental and there is a lack of basis.

Regulatory authorities>>

Currently there are no legal details, no government guidance on prices to solve the problem, only negotiation between the two parties

The dispute over parking spaces in Shengshi Huacheng Community , as regulatory authorities, the Housing Management Office and Price Office of the High-tech Zone Housing Authority have also been involved. Since the end of November, these two departments have successively received public orders forwarded by the citizen service hotline 12345, requesting to handle the matter, but they both feel that there is a lack of legal basis.

The relevant person in charge of the Housing Management Bureau of the High-tech Zone said that as the housing management department, it can only advise the property management company to improve its service level, but cannot do anything about the price issue. The relevant person in charge of the Price Office of the High-tech Zone said that after receiving the three public orders transferred from 12345, they consulted the price department of the higher-level city many times, and they all said that there was no relevant government guidance price.

According to the person in charge of the price department, the parking space rental fee is generally divided into two parts, one is the "parking space occupancy fee" and the other is the "custody fee." "Care Fees" Jinan Municipal Price Bureau issued a document in 2004, stipulating the care fees for transportation vehicles within the property management area. "The care fees for underground garages shall not exceed 100 yuan per month." However, the "parking space occupancy fee" belongs to commodities. Rental fees are set according to market trends and "are not within the scope of government pricing. Relevant departments can only issue government-guided prices based on regulations and determine a range." Wang Hui, a lawyer at Haocai Law Firm who participated in the formulation of the "Shandong Provincial Property Management Regulations" said, We must now call on relevant departments to issue relevant documents as soon as possible. Under the current circumstances, the parking space rental fee can only be determined through negotiation between the two parties.